What if Mexico fired tens of thousands of rockets into the southern United States over a 22-year period in a bid to get Texas back?

Since 2001, Palestinian militants have launched tens of thousands of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip as part of the continuing Arab–Israeli conflict. The attacks, widely condemned for targeting civilians, have been described as terrorism by the United Nations, the European Union, and Israeli officials, and are defined as war crimes by human rights groups Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. The international community considers indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets to be illegal under international law. Palestinian militants say rocket attacks are a response to Israel's block of Gaza, but the Palestinian Authority has condemned them and says rocket attacks undermine peace.

From 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soldiers, and at least 11 Palestinians and injured more than 1900 people. Their main effect is their creation of widespread psychological trauma and disruption of daily life among the Israeli populace.

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Ynotisay · M

I wouldn't doubt that's true. But it's over a ten year period.
As of September, according to the UN, this year Israeli troops had killed 172 Palestinians.
Last year they killed 155.
A UN report from '21, after Israel troops killed roughly 250 Palestinians in Gaza, said they want "complete control" over the land in question. Amnesty Intl. called it genocide at the time.
I think it's pretty clear that there's two sides to this coin.

flipper1966 · M

@Ynotisay No. 22 years. Factually incorrect statements weaken your argument. No offense.

flipper1966 · M

@Ynotisay There's an endless cycle of provocation/retaliation on both sides. That's true.

Ynotisay · M

@flipper1966 From 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians...
How many years is that?
Was it the "it's" part that made you decide to go with 'factually inaccurate?' Especially in how you discounted all those innocent lives to lock in to that one. Here, I'll change it to make you feel better.
"I wouldn't doubt that's true. But there where 27 deaths of Israeli civilians over a ten year period from 2004 to 2014. Now put that against the 172 Palestinians killed in nine freaking months..."
See how that works? Accurate now?
All i could see from your comment is that it was coming from a 'persecuted' Jew living in the U.S . Could be wrong. Don't think so though,
At least you acknowledged it takes to two tango. That's a rarity with the black and white thinkers on either side of this.

flipper1966 · M

@Ynotisay Anti-Semitism rearing its ugly head? And you were doing so well there for a while!

And by the way, if the killing of 250 Palestinians in nine months constitutes genocide, what does the murder of 1400 Israelis on October 7 constitute? Any thoughts?

flipper1966 · M

@Ynotisay What about all the innocent lives of Palestinians cynically used by Hamas? You seem to be more concerned about Palestinian lives than Hamas, because, in fact, Hamas does not care about the lives of Palestinians.

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Ynotisay · M

@flipper1966 I was right, huh? A Jew living in the U.S.? OK.
I'll make my position as clear as I possibly can.
Fuck Israel. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Religion.
That's not antisemitic bud. Although i definitely could be having lived in almost entirely Jewish neighborhood for years where I was treated like shit because I wasn't one of them. And that's a fact.
But nah. Not my thing. I'm pro-human being. I don't like innocent people being slaughtered so weak people, who need enemies to exist, can kill.
So you can play the poor me game all you want. Means nothing to me. Just don't forget that you're safe behind a computer in the United States. If you had real conviction you know where you'd be. And you're not there.

flipper1966 · M

@Ynotisay Word of advice. Try not to invoke anti-Semitic tropes. It only weakens your argument.

flipper1966 · M

Is there a psychoanalyst in the audience?

What does it mean that our friend disparages the "persecuted Jew" but at the same time depicts himself as persecuted, to wit, "Although i definitely could be having lived in almost entirely Jewish neighborhood for years where I was treated like shit because I wasn't one of them. And that's a fact."

A problem of self/object representation?

Ynotisay · M

@flipper1966 So you pulled from a guy who's life's work is around Jewish persecution? Really?
Don't need your advice bud. I think Fuck Religion covers it all for me.
And I'm actually not sure you know what a trope is.
It's not a figure of speech. It's the truth. Historical persecution, often with the Holocaust as the platform, is taught to Jewish children at a very early age. it's baked in to that cake. Us vs. Them. And, if you are a Jewish like I suspect, you KNOW that's true.
So yeah dude. No advice needed. You're not my Dad, teacher or boss. I have a handle on it.

flipper1966 · M

@Ynotisay Good. Carry on, sir.

flipper1966 · M

@Ynotisay By the way, were you referring to Ethan Katz, the baseball coach? Is he a persecuted Jew?

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Ynotisay · M

@flipper1966 Yeah mouth. That's what I was doing. You're a Jew and don't know who Ethan Katz is? Perfect.

flipper1966 · M

Are you familiar with the work of Otto Kernberg, M.D.?

As infants interact with their caregivers, they begin to form internal object relations to represent these interactions. This experience is stored along with the intense emotional states that accompanied these interactions with the "object" (caregiver). It is assumed that infants do not yet experience nuanced emotions so these emotional states are generally of extreme pleasure or extreme displeasure. It is during these intense emotional states that infants develop a representation of self in relation to the other person (object). Depending on how such interactions go, these representations can take different forms. An example would be a representation of a persecuted self (the child) and a powerful, threatening persecuting object (the caregiver) linked together through the affect of fear.

Ynotisay · M

@flipper1966 So no thoughts of your own? And infants? I'm done.