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Old white uneducated radical Christians pro Israel on similar worlds when I show them facts :

“I don’t know how to counter argue the facts and sources you are giving me but you are still wrong just because I say so! HaHA“

Damn you hurt my feelings no no no please come back and change your mind 🤣🤣🤣


Note: you can be a fachist pro Israeli and not fit this description but most of whom I met on here fit that specific description. Especially those with zero brain cells and unable to discuss using sources and facts
I don't see why their race matters. And lots of these people are racist Jews.
@Moon3624 Sweetie, this is a lot to read and I’m on Xanax. I don’t want to make the same mistake that I made last time and totally not understand what you are saying. So I’ll read it tomorrow when I’m more clear headed. Be safe and be well.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@DarkHeaven take your time
it’s mostly humor and not complicated stuff.
Be safe and well you too
@Moon3624 🖤🖤🖤
I’ve challenged myself to learn more about the greater conflict and will be reading the book by Ilan Pappe that you suggested. It seems I may not be all that educated on all of it, so I aim to fix that.
Well it fits. Considering that it is mostly a lot of the current pro-Israel support is coming from actual Nazis
SW-User
Not just white to be fair
Neoerectus · M
"Belief" was lifted to be on par with objective, reproducible researched facts.

THAT is why no one can be convinced. Pre-Age of Enlightenment thinking. We are now pre-1700's in our critical thinking... 🙄
Do you have to add white? How typical. Just say pro Israel.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@Spoiledbrat evil and denial is not restricted to a specific religion race or nationality
In fact many of the anti Zionism I have came across were white

However I was talking about one of the patterns have noticed about pro Israelis
and
I said “white [b]OLD[/b] [b]uneducated[/b] [b]radical[/b] [b]Christian[/b] “
I didn’t just say white
So don’t take words out of proportion
@Moon3624 Those pronouns are unnecessary.
It sucks to see the rise in antisemitism in the world today because it is preventable to some degree, and we know for a fact that [i][b][u]not all Jews support Israeli/Zionist gaslighting[/u][/b][/i], and the ones who are propagating the lies do play a direct role in spawning new antisemitism which affects even the Jews who do not support the Israeli propaganda and revisionist history. The occupied will always, always, always, always resist the occupiers. This is fundamental common sense, it is embarrassing that adults do not grasp something so basic and seek [i]sympathy[/i] for their occupying. Fuck. That. Shit. When you bring stuff on yourself, stop pathetically looking for scapegoats and embrace reality. And fucking realize that what you're doing right now is ONLY breeding more of the same damn pointless hatred, and it's going to happen again, and if you act surprised when it does, you are a damned moron, a damned liar, or both. "Terrorism is bad ... but we don't mind breeding more of it through our own campaign of obliteration of any and everyone in our path!"

[b]I wonder if there are any other ethnic or religious groups who try to use this 150% nonsensical and unconvincing "well, anti-Zionism IS antisemitism, because I say so!" template, or if every other group is not that daft, unscrupulous, dishonest and manipulative.[/b]

Pro-Israel people (Jewish or otherwise) are not doing the world any favors and need to wake up, snap out of their mass delusion, and deprogram themselves from their victim cult's opiate. It's absolutely ridiculous for Blinken to say Russia's bombing of civilians in Ukraine should not be the new normal, while simultaneously supporting Israel in doing literally the same thing in Gaza.

@Harmonium1923 @LeopoldBloom if you want to label anti-Israel people as antisemites, in defiance of reality, and prove to the world that you cannot be deprogrammed, go right ahead, and see where it gets you in the long-term. See if it decreases [i]actual[/i] antisemitism. When you decide instead to be honest, let us know. Until then, there's really no fruitful dialogue to be had with your gaslighting faction.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@BlueGreenGrey
thank you.
Pro Israelis who use Anti semitism as a shield to protect themselves against the crystal clear reality that israel is a settler apartheid colony sound like this :

“We can occupy ,massacre and steal homes from a group of semites for decades on a regular brutal basis but if you criticize us or they retaliate you are an anti semite because we are Semites “
😂😂😂😂😂
[media=https://tiktok.com/7308833594581994794]

This is an interview from literally two decades ago and nothing has changed :
[media=https://tiktok.com/7309995269465115936]


See I’m not Palestinian and I am not from the Levant
I’m from Saudi Arabia and from my family tree I’m indigenous to this land
And I took a dna test
And one of the most bizzare things ever
Is that apparently the Samaritans are genetically closer to me than the Palestinians lol
( apparently Samaritans are one of the most pure Israelites in the world. They never left the Levant and were Palestinian before the creation of the state of Israel and after its creation some identified with Israel and others with the occupied Palestinians and most with neither and going with the flow with both )


This is my results btw :

I’m apparently closer genetically to a Samaritan than Palestinian and Yemenite Jew than Syrian
But watch them keep calling me anti Semitic 😂😂
lumberjackslam · 41-45, M
wow. another fair, balanced, account from the SW professor of Middle Eastern studies. 🙄
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@ArtieKat @lumberjackslam
I’m so thrilled to debunk this bullshit 😂
Let’s go :



1/The Jews lived in the Middle East (and non middle eastern Muslim countries ) in peace for centuries with no to minor problems .
The real persecution and exodus of Jews to extreme measures throughout history occurred in Europe and Christian kingdoms.
In fact Jews lived in Palestine even before the modern day mass migration of Jews to it and the subsequent creation of the state of Israel which is no more than an occupation.
There were no apartheid walls for them
Their homes were not stolen
Their movement was no restricted
And there was no humiliating check points etc
(Which what Israel does to Palestinians which is what Hitler did to them )
it was immigrant Jews who came on boats from Poland France Ukraine Russia etc And stole Palestinian lands and kicked them out of their homes and ridiculously RIDICULOUSLY claimed they are indigenous 😂 they still do this.
a white dude from Brooklyn with no ancestral attachment to the land can still go steal a Palestinian home.
jews in the Middle East were exiled only AFTER the creation of the state of Israel which happened literally after the exodus of Palestinians(To create the State of Israel, Zionist forces attacked major Palestinian cities and destroyed some 530 villages. Approximately 13,000 Palestinians were killed in 1948, with more than 750,000 expelled from their homes )
So get your timeline right 😂 don’t pretend to be the victim.
The surrounding countries did not kick out their Jews UNTIL again UNTIL the Jews kicked out the Palestinians out of their land and stole it .
Not that I agree with this because those Jews were indigenous to the lands they lived in but context is important.
There were also Israeli mossad provocations because Israel needed them to depopulate Palestinian villages and towns and use them for propaganda. So
You are saying this :
“Immigrant Jews annexed Palestinian lands , stole their homes and ethnically cleansed them but hey the surrounding countries are bad cuz they kicked their jews after that”
Do you hear yourself ?
And I’m sure those same countries will take back those Jews if the settler colony ends and the land returns to Palestinians .
In fact I believe there will never be peace and stability in the Middle East as long as this settler colony called Israel exists.



2/According to the Torah, Abraham is from Iraq. He migrated out of it to canaan . So I don’t see your claim of jews having a right to create a land especially out of Iraq.
the Jews are not a race they are from Ancient Mesopotamia . Had abraham not migrated, today they would all be an average Iraqi. Literally speaking 😂
The same Iraqis whom USA sanctions led to the death of half a million children. And the satanic former US Secretary of State(Madeleine Albright), once publicly admitted that she thinks the deaths of half a million Iraqi children were ‘worth it’ .
Imagine a human being saying the death of children is worth it ? you can at least believe it but daring to utter it? I mean the hell !?
The same Iraqi people whom few years after these heartless sanctions
The USA invaded them for absolutely no reason and killed another one million civilians with accounts of rape looting and mayhem
And later the USA said “oh mass weapons of destruction was a lie we should never invaded Iraq oppps”



3/ not only were Jews not indigenous but the ancient Jewish kingdoms be it Judah or Israel lasted for merely couple hundred of years it’s a speck within the history of the land 😂
It’s like saying “the Romans ruled ancient Britain for 400 years 2000 years ago therefore Italians today have a right to go annex Britain and not only rule over it but call for the mass migration of Italians to it and are alllwed to steal British homes And steal British history and culture and put them under apartheid and call them terrorists for resisting against a barbaric occupation that kills and detains their children and crushes their identity “

ironically the Lebanese population are the best representative of Canaanite dna (The results showed that modern Lebanese can trace more than 90 percent of their genetic ancestry to Canaanites- National Geographic)

I mean Israel loves the indigenous bullshit but facts say something else 😂. I mean when will Israel give the Galen heights which is a Syrian territory back to Syria ?
You are not only occupying Palestine.
Every inch and centimeter of “Israel” is a stolen land.

Einstein (Jew and holocaust survivor ) visited Palestine only once for 12 days in 1923 before the creation of Israel but during mass migration of Jews :

“We traveled along a plain with very meager vegetation. From time to time, Arab villages and Jewish colonies, olive trees, cactus plants and orange trees flashed by”

Hmm Jewish colonies. Do you read that?

“Afterwards, Einstein visited “the Communist settlement of Deganya” and commented that “the settlers are very nice, most of them Russian, dirty but full of genuine desire. “

Russian do you read that?😂

Einstein had no problem with migration of Jews to the land but first he acknowledged they were not indigenous and second he was against creating a Jewish state in Palestine.


This is his letter after Deir Yassin massacre :




There are hundred and hundreds of anti Israel Jewish organizations
In fact I believe Israel using Judaism as a shield for its occupation and settler colonialism
Is the true anti semetism
lumberjackslam · 41-45, M
@Moon3624 Hardly.

[quote]I’m so thrilled to debunk this bullshit 😂
[/quote]

Kind of like you 'debunked' the Hamas massacre? You mean DENIED.

[quote](Which what Israel does to Palestinians which is what Hitler did to them )
[/quote] Let's come back to reality.


[quote]it was immigrant Jews who came on boats from Poland France Ukraine Russia etc And stole Palestinian lands and kicked them out of their homes and ridiculously RIDICULOUSLY claimed they are indigenous 😂 they still do this.[/quote]

Your genetic studies only showed that Jews are related to other Mediterranean peoples. This would make sense. All people are related, and it makes sense as Israel is a Mediterranean country. So you might want to send back your fake genetics degree.

[quote]a white dude from Brooklyn with no ancestral attachment to the land can still go steal a Palestinian home.[/quote]

So you judge people by how they look. Appearance doesn't tell the whole story. You seem to have a problem with white people in general.

[quote]The surrounding countries did not kick out their Jews UNTIL again UNTIL the Jews kicked out the Palestinians out of their land and stole it .[/quote]

nope

[quote]“Immigrant Jews annexed Palestinian lands , stole their homes and ethnically cleansed them but hey the surrounding countries are bad cuz they kicked their jews after that”
[/quote]

This is like when you excused the Hamas cutters for chopping up babies. There is no excuse for such actions. You are an excuse machine.

[quote]And I’m sure those same countries will take back those Jews if the settler colony ends and the land returns to Palestinians .[/quote]

Why would they want to return to countries were they were second class citizens? I guess that might be convenient for you but not them.


[quote]In fact I believe there will never be peace and stability in the Middle East as long as this settler colony called Israel exists.
[/quote]
In other words it must be annihilated. How pleasant.


[quote]not only were Jews not indigenous [/quote]

I remember you showed a study showing the Palestinians are closely related to Jordanians. That's because they came from the Arabian Peninsula and conquered the area millennia after the indigenous Jewish people inhabited the area. Quit with the lies and disinformation.

[quote]I mean Israel loves the indigenous bullshit but facts say something else 😂. I mean when will Israel give the Galen heights which is a Syrian territory back to Syria ?[/quote]
They keep the Golan heights for national security reasons. They aren't about to commit national suicide like you demand.

[quote]Einstein (Jew and holocaust survivor ) visited Palestine only once for 12 days in 1923 before the creation of Israel but during mass migration of Jews :

“Afterwards, Einstein visited “the Communist settlement of Deganya” and commented that “the settlers are very nice, most of them Russian, dirty but full of genuine desire. “
[/quote]
You know nothing of the diaspora or you don't care. Now that they returned to their land the Jews will protect it with their military and your sad little pro-Hamas paragraphs will do nothing to change that.
Moon3624 · 18-21, F
@lumberjackslam
I love how when we started to talk about who’s indigenous and who’s not and who started this violence
You quickly ran to the Hamas scapegoat argument 😂
condemning the result of occupation and apartheid while clapping at the occupation and apartheid is ridiculous


1/ “Hamas blalalala”
I love how you describe the acts of Hamas as barbaric when this is what your beloved Israel has been doing for decades to Palestinians until this day and until the 6th of October
and are who started this violence 😂 this is why I have a post called every Israeli accusation is an Israeli confession.
Israel was killing , raping , harassing detaining terrorizing and stealing Palestinian homes 24/7 before the 7th of October and I have posts about this.
Palestinians have endless 7th of October
It seems like you are
The one who denies Israel’s massacres which were happening way before Hamas was even Founded , occupation, home theft ,pogroms , settler colony and apartheid which is still happening and
When Israel does it it is totally fine but dare the Palestinians lash in a tiny magnitude compared to Israel at this mayhem occupation apartheid and injustice done to them for decades until today right ?
A child was killed every week in the occupied West Bank before 7th of October where is no Hamas by Israeli open fire in fatal spots . The same West Bank with illegal and increasing Israeli settlements .
There is no israel it is a settler colony with changing boarders every some years.
You can complain about Hamas all day but
If you deny that simple fact then you really cannot claim the moral higher ground you just sound pathetic and hypocritical and
if you decide to play this hypocritical game I’ll gladly play it with you
You can take your crocodile years somewhere else
But I don’t blame your mindset this is the mindset of settler colonialism.
“We colonize we rape we kill we steal we displace we degrade and if they retaliate they are barbaric animals who need to be annihilated “
That is the nutshell of all settler colonies unless you have never opened a history book 😂 history only repeats itself.
And integrity is important.
Things like beheaded and chopped children etc are now identified as lies
There are also reports of Israel shooting indiscriminately at the festival and most likely have killed their own according to Haaretz (Israeli oldest newspaper ) and others

2/
“ Your genetic studies only showed that Jews are related to other Mediterranean peoples. This would make sense. All people are related, and it makes sense as Israel is a Mediterranean country. So you might want to send back your fake genetics degree. ”

Dna tests are actually restricted in Israel. But anyways you can literally convert it’s not really about indigenous people . Moreover if you read the book of the father of Zionism
the Zionists discussed making Argentina and other nations such as Madagascar Eritrea etc their settler Colony it just so happened the victim was Palestine.
Israel was also a support of the South African apartheid
So what indigenous shit are you speaking about ?😂 had this ended up in Argentina they would have wiped up another propaganda.
I also literally explained in depth that Jews were originally from Iraq and have no right whatsoever to the land they claim they are indigenous to.
Similarly Iraqis today have no right to go to Egypt and kick the Egyptians out and steal their homes and turn most Egyptians into refugees nor does Iraqi have the right to do that to Yemen or Syria or Palestine or any land for that matter . Different lands with different indigenous people culture and history regardless of faith .
The majority of Israelis are either Europeans (half of Israelis are European/American ) or Iranian North African etc neither have a right to Palestine they are all fucking settlers on stolen land

And again exodus of middle eastern Jews only happened after the creation of Israel and after Israelis did a holocaust to Palestinians
if the Middle East did not kick out their Jews the only difference is that Israel today would be majority European lol so ur argument is invalid.
But it was also mainly Israeli mossad forcing and provoking middle eastern Jews to go to Israel because Jews were a minority and needed numbers.
There was also the incident of Israel kidnapping Yemenite Jewish children(look that up)

And what does middle eastern countries kicking their Jews AFTER the creation of satanic israel have to do with Palestinians?😂
Why do you dump everything on them?
Nazi Hitler does the holocaust you go to Palestine and gave them a holocaust and still oppress and occupy them
Not only is Palestinians paying for what Nazi Hitler did to you
But you also want them to pay the price of what other countries do ? 😂
Like holy shit.
Are you mentally deformed ?

Lastly ,
Israelis
all look different
Have different dna mixtures
Have different cultures
And if Hebrew was not revived in the modern world they would not have been able to even communicate with one another😂
So what indigenous people ?


You want me to care about a white, settler colonial movement collaborated with Britian to carve out a territory in the Middle East that had a majority of indigenous people living on it for thousands of years Using the excuse that they lived there 3,000 years ago, and had a right to the land(which I already debunked ) , instead of the truth, which was that Europeans had been persecuting them for thousands of years, culminating with the Holocaust, and wanted Jews out of Europe. This allowed Zionists to create an entho-state and start the slow genocide and displacement of millions of palestinians while giving the West a bulwark in the Middle East in which to pursue their political interests.

That’s all there is to it.

Get out of Palestine fucking thieves


I have no more to say
I already explained dna & histidy wise
How non Palestinian Jews have zero claim to the land
Moreover I have also taught you the history of how Israel came to being

You can deny it but the earth is spherical even tho some still think it’s flat.
Some ppl also believe unicorns exist

That’s the world we live in .
Some ppl despite facts stick to their opinions

I mean there were literally Americans protesting against the end of segregation they didn’t want segregation to end
(Not slavery but segregation!)
Lol
There were also many who didn’t want the south African apartheid to end
Didn’t want French colonies in Algeria to end

Be it decades or eons
The Palestinians will get their rightful land back
From the river to the sea
You fucking thieves.

Only Palestinian Jews Christian and Muslims have a claim to the land
The rest can kiss my sandal

 
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