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An interesting fact about history from my region

So my grandma has tattoos, but not the usual ones (if I told her I want to get one she would freak out). She has one cross on each arm right above her hand, but they are barely visible. She did them with other girls from the village when she was a child (6-7 years old) with coal from the train and needles. Her older sister even has her name on one arm. I asked her how did they even think of doing that and she said most of the elderly women back then had them. Some even had intricate designs on their hands. And there was one with designs on her forehead too. That seemed weird to me because I've never seen any photo of tattooed women from here or learned about this "trend". She said it's probably from the Turks. I'm not sure as I don't know their traditions, I think they also used henna in Turkey like for weddings. But I've also read about some Balkan traditional tattoos that were usually for girls to show they are Christians back when the Ottomans would abduct them. It was both for protection to make them "undesirable" and to remind them of their real ancestry. I'm wondering if they also did that for the same reasons here, especially the crosses.
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This is very interesting. Egyptian Christians get cross tattoos on their wrists as toddlers, everyone males and females which lasts with them all their lives it's how you recognize them when a name is too confusing to tell. I now wonder if it started as something for protection too.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether another interesting fact I didn't know about. Is it common to do it to this day? Egyptian Christians are Coptic right, or do Arab Christians do the same?
@HannibalAteMeOut Yes it's still done till today. The majority are Coptic and there's Catholics, as far as I know both do this. Also both are Arab Christians Copts and Arab Christians are the same thing there's no special label for each of them is what I mean. They are all Egyptian citizens who talk Arabic.

I've heard of Christians who pay or collect funds to remove the tattoos if they choose to convert to Islam.

Not related but in college I met both Coptics and Catholics, it's how I found out we have Catholics.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether for some reason I thought Copts were also a separate ethnic group, maybe because of the Coptic script but I guess it's only used in their church.
Yeah it's quite weird to tattoo children as they have no choice and will carry it for life. It's like how you wear a cross after you're baptised but in this case you can't really remove it.
Hahah I've met Catholics from Jordan and from the UAE but they weren't really Arabs ethnically, one was Indian originally and the other Sri Lankan. Still not very common I guess hahaha.
@HannibalAteMeOut I honestly find it shameful that we don't teach Coptic language in our schools or Hieroglyphic too because before Arabs came those were our languages. It's my legacy too since I am Egyptian. The fact that some French dude came to explore our ancient Egyptian language for us says a lot of things about us.

That's interesting.
There's also Orthodox btw who tbh I don't know what is the difference between them and Copts or if they are the same thing. There's just a lot of names for a lot of groups lol
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether it's a shame really. It would be so cool to learn them, your history is huge!
I think Copts are orthodox but they have their own church, most Orthodox churches are under the patriarch of Istanbul but I'm not sure about Copts or Ethiopians or other Africans tbh. Religious denominations are complicated lol.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether @HannibalAteMeOut Copts are Oriental Orthodox, it's not exactly the same as Eastern Orthodox. They're miaphysites. They're in full communion with the Ethiopian, Tewahedo, Armenian and Malankara Christians.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@basilfawlty89 I thought the Armenian church was under the Istanbul patriarch too
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@HannibalAteMeOut no no, they're not communion with the Eastern Orthodox church. There was also a schism thanks to the Genocide, the USSR and the interethnic unrest in Lebanon. Western Armenian have their Catholicos in Lebanon. Eastern Armenians in Ejmiadzin/Vagharshapat.