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An interesting fact about history from my region

So my grandma has tattoos, but not the usual ones (if I told her I want to get one she would freak out). She has one cross on each arm right above her hand, but they are barely visible. She did them with other girls from the village when she was a child (6-7 years old) with coal from the train and needles. Her older sister even has her name on one arm. I asked her how did they even think of doing that and she said most of the elderly women back then had them. Some even had intricate designs on their hands. And there was one with designs on her forehead too. That seemed weird to me because I've never seen any photo of tattooed women from here or learned about this "trend". She said it's probably from the Turks. I'm not sure as I don't know their traditions, I think they also used henna in Turkey like for weddings. But I've also read about some Balkan traditional tattoos that were usually for girls to show they are Christians back when the Ottomans would abduct them. It was both for protection to make them "undesirable" and to remind them of their real ancestry. I'm wondering if they also did that for the same reasons here, especially the crosses.
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Human1000 · 51-55, M
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/sicanje-traditional-balkan-tattoo

“By the 1960s, sicanje lived on only in fading marks on grandmothers’ hands.”

Is the practice related to this?
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Human1000 yes, that's the ones I was talking about. It makes me wonder what made people stop and become quite opposed to them. I would say "conservative", but the conservative thing to do would be to preserve them.
Human1000 · 51-55, M
@HannibalAteMeOut I would hypothesize that post WW2 “modernity” caused many traditions to fade: new governments, communication, education, etc. In the US post WW2 for example, ethnic expression was frowned upon.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Human1000 yeah that sounds right. My grandma did that towards the end of WWII and beginning of civil war here. I guess there aren't many others left. I also don't know if they did the same in southern regions or the islands. I'm basically from the mainland towards the north so it makes sense to have similar traditions with other Balkan nations.
Human1000 · 51-55, M
@HannibalAteMeOut Funny, I studied “European History” in college, but they left out Balkan and Greek history (post fall of Western Roman Empire). You and your friend Pepsi have posted a few things that make me curious to learn more.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Human1000 yeah I think past that point we were mostly associated with the East, especially during the Byzantine empire and after the Schism. And it's quite ironic that the west had been studying and romanticizing the greek ideals like during the Renaissance, but in the actual region of Greece people had no idea. And that led to many false interpretations. People still think of plain white statues and plain white dresses as ancient Greece. It's kinda like parallel universes, the actual ancient world and then the western interpretations of it. Same with other ancient civilizations from the Balkans & Eastern Europe that have been diminished for centuries because they didn't seem as "important".
Human1000 · 51-55, M
@HannibalAteMeOut It’s interesting you’re acutely aware of the prejudice. And it’s so true: we go from Ancient Greece to discovering feta cheese in the 90s.

We get some modern Greek history, but only really about its role in the Cold War.

Americans were very confused to learn there were Muslim Europeans, too. Wait, which side do we route for?
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Human1000 [quote]Americans were very confused to learn there were Muslim Europeans, too. Wait, which side do we route for?[/quote] I'm wondering how many remember the bombing of Serbia in favour of Kosovo (Kosovo being majority Muslim and Serbia being Christian) by NATO
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@HannibalAteMeOut I've been binging a lot of Roman history recently and what its taught me more than anything is that the distinction between the west and the east is meaningless.

The notion that Greece has more in common historically and culturally with Norway than it does with Turkey and Egypt is [i]absurd[/i].
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@CountScrofula for real it's so weird. Eurasia should have been seen as one continent to begin with.