I Am Australian

He didn't get my vote either!

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four, I did.
He might have been a bit of a dickhead, but he stopped the boat people, got rid of the carbon tax and has made a stand against Islam. The last government killed 3 innocent men and caused dozens of house fires with their bungled insulation scheme. They let us be unundated with boat people etc. Regardless of which side you vote for I feel it is disgusting that your own tem will stab you in the back. I didn't agree with Kevin Rudd being dumped either and I didn't vote for him. There is no point making voting compulsory if the elected parties then change leadership at their whim. Just a disgrace for everyone

agree completely !!

Why is stopping the boats good? The conditions these people are in now are appalling and they are fleeing persecution or are in fear of persecution.

it's stopping them drowning at sea

Actually the boats are not stopped just diverted to PNG so the drowning a haven't stopped. And if they actually stop the boats more people including children will be tortured and killed in their country if origin than at sea. So that isn't a valid reason ...

Actually, we give the people smugglers $$ to re-route their boats to Indonesia.

Does Au? I know of the boat from Indonesia that was paid a fee to return there and the rerouting to PNG and the deal there - do you have a source for the payments for rerouting to Indonesia? I would love to bookmark it :)

I would have to go looking for it....I most likely read it on http://www.abc.net.au/news/australia/

This is what I have found onthe ABC before about Indonesia and refugee boats -

Indonesia says the country's navy gave supplies to asylum seekers trying to reach Malaysia, and did not push them back out to sea as had been reported.


A boat carrying about 350 Rohingya asylum seekers was intercepted by an Indonesian patrol boat in the Malacca Strait, between Indonesia and Malaysia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-14/indonesias-foreign-ministry-denies-turning-back-refugee-boats/6468864

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Asylum seekers from a boat whose crew was allegedly paid thousands of dollars by Australian authorities to return to Indonesia have questioned why they were intercepted in international waters.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-17/boat-allegedly-paid-turn-back-stopped-international-waters/6553966

The whole issue of asylum seekers breaks my heart. I wish Australia would take a leaf out of Italy's book and go pick the poor buggers up and bring them safely to our shores.

Out of interest, what country are you from?

I am American but lived in Au for 20 years - just returned home a little over 2 months ago - so have close ties with Au still :)

Yeah what people don;t get is refugees aren't illegals by international law!! And the jailing (aka putting kids behind razor wire in a jail circumstances and calling it a detention center) of children and the conditions of the refugee camps is appalling...

actually you are misinformed.
no boats are rerouted to png , not one .

yes that happens and I think it's a great idea

Ohhh yes the ABC with its unbiased factual reporting Lols

have you been to Italy recently ? it is overrun with African immigrants , the Italian people despise what they are doing to their country , not to mention the thousands who die off the coast of Italy

so we are meant to allow them straight into the community with no security check , build them a house , and start paying them from the moment they arrive ? or leave the adults in Detention centers and take their kids away ? Please !!! kids would rather be with their parents no matter what and obviously background and security checks need to be undertaken . The violence, sexual assaults, pedophilia and criminal activity displayed in the centers is proof that a screening process is needed not to mention the omnipresent threat of terrorism.
Were you aware man monis was an illegal immigrant ? sorry a refugee ?
No way I want anyone just allowed in , it's unfortunate the process takes so long but if they are genuine refugees 2 years for a lifetime of opportunity and safety with meals , health care , and a centerlink payment waiting for them it's a better deal than in their homeland

You are right they deserve to live in squalled conditions in PNG and have children under the age of 10 diagnosed with PTSD in Australia due to detention in Australia because there is nooooooooooooo middle ground or rational answer......... * rolls eyes* this isn't a boolean expression there are other answers ffs

did I say they deserved it ?
the ptsd could that have been attributed and contributed to having their lives threatened , family's shot , being at sea in a old overcrowded boat ?
what is the middle ground ?

No it has been shown the PTSD many of the children are diagnosed with is due to living in the detention centers.

((Current practices of detention of infants and children are likely to have both immediate and larger‑term effects on children’s development, psychological and emotional health. Children in these situations are exposed to multiple stressors including:



behavioural and psychological distress in adults,
dislocation from protective social groups and structures,
witnessing violence and self‑harm, and
separation from attachment figures.



These stressors, in combination with prior exposure to conflict and community breakdown, immediately place these children at risk for the development of Post‑Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and the longer‑term consequences of this.



There is a body of scientific literature pointing out that infants and children are vulnerable to the effects of stress and trauma and may develop severe PTSD symptoms.[xiii],[xiv] These symptoms are common within the first month of trauma and have been found to occur in many situations including child maltreatment,[xv] violence exposure[xvi] and natural disasters. Rates of PTSD in children traumatized by maltreatment are similar to those of children traumatized by war and homicide.))
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1 - Make processing these people a priority so they are in limbo less time and dependent on the system for less time.

2 - Make processing them rational - having them provide proof if they are gay is ridiculous - what do they expect - for the refugee to grab the nearest same sex person a fk their brains out? The processing needs to be rational.
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3 - Look at housing the detainees within the community or if places can't be found there - take the fences down and treat them like human beings and turn the centers into housing estates for those in limbo.
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4 - Put ankle bracelets on them to keep track of them and limit their travel privileges.
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5 - Give them temp work visas and in turn boost the economy - let them work in the refugee housing as gardeners, cleaners and in the community.. there will be a transient population within these towns so there will be jobs opening up as people get accepted or rejected and leave.
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These are just a few basic ideas that may or may not work but there are systems in many many countries that do work and they don't jail refugees. It is not impossible by any stretch of the imagination.

I can give you many sources it doesn't change the facts

Actually there is a deal in place and then the Abbot Govt hides what is really going on with the boats.. and there is a holding camp that Au sends asylum seekers to in PNG (on Manus Island) so they are getting there whether they are flown there, rerouted there or taken by either Navy...

so the pstd that resembles that of children from war torn countries is caused in detention centers and not in the country they lived in that was war torn ? that's some green policy logic right there.
You seem like an idealistic person and in a perfect world your ideas could work but national security needs to be paramount thanks to the abhorrent actions of terrorist groups , we already take 12 500 a year and an extra 10 000 this year and it will be 20 000 a year in two years time , Australia does more than most when it comes to providing safe havens for assulym seekers and we always have .