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The number one argument against God always seems to be "If there's a God, why do bad things happen to good people?"

But God never promised to give us these ideal, perfect lives where nothing ever challenges us or tests us. After all, the Son of God and Saviour of the world was born in a stable and wrapped up in a burlap cloth. - What does that say? He is no less a king and no less powerful, and God certainly loves Him.

Its not about ideal circumstances where everything is perfect and we never have to cry, never have to struggle or never experience pain. Jesus himself said, "why hath thou forsaken me?" to show we ALL experience that point where we feel we're about to break.

Jesus was God in human form, an incredibly vulnerable state. But God walked among this earth, just like the rest of us to show: Yes, faith is enough and yes, I will never leave you nor forsake you.

I have learned through my pain and I'm strong because I have struggled. My faith is my greatest achievement in life and it grew because I had to LEARN how to trust God in EVERY situation.

If my life was perfect then I would have the same faith as an infant- never learning to walk in God.
CoCoPuffs
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"[i]But God never promised to give us these ideal, perfect lives where nothing ever challenges us or tests us[/i]" - 17,000 innocent children die every day because they suffer from Pneumonia or Malaria - what exactly is meant to be "challenging" or "testing" about that? They don't even stand a chance. It doesn't sound like a test to me, but a sick joke inflicted by a psychotic God (that is, if your God exists).

What kind of "loving" being wouldn't want us to live a perfect life? What kind of "loving" being would inflict that much suffering upon innocent children?
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"[i]He created you[/i]" - no, he didn't. With all due respect, you first have to prove a God exists, and then that your [i]specific[/i] God exists, before you can start going around claiming to know what he created.

"[i]God wants you to be[/i]" - a mindless worshipper who, instead of working towards the betterment of human well-being and flourishing, follows the capricious whims of a psychotic dictator who gets a kick out of pain and suffering?

"[i]Do you do everything in your power to help others?[/i]" - probably not. But I'm only one man. God on the other hand could single-handedly end unnecessary human suffering in an instant, and yet decides to do nothing.

Like I said to WellWellNow, I think both you and I are better and more moral beings than your God. Especially if the Bible is anything to go by...
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Dreammmer 路 56-60, M
@TheOrdinaryGuy: At the end of your life no one cares about all your arguments why you did not help others and why Christians are wrong and why you are right blah blah blah
Real people need help and you can do something, you can make sacrifices and you dont even need to believe in God to help others. Dont waste my time with your nonsense. Live without God. But start helping those in need and stop blaming God or others for not helping.
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@Dreammmer: "[i]blah blah blah[/i]" - you certainly know how to debate like an adult.

"[i]Real people need help[/i]" - yes, they need real help from real people, not a fictitious God. Which is why I help.

"[i]stop blaming God[/i]" - sorry, but I can't do that. The blame is square on his shoulders for the unnecessary suffering in the world - that's nothing to do with me. I'm merely part of the resolution, not the problem.

"[i]Dont waste my time with your nonsense.[/i]" - you're not one of those peaceful loving types of Christian then.

The only one wasting your time friend, is you - you do know you don't have to keep responding to me, right?
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Good luck trying to argue with all these guys.
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@WellWellNow: Haha I know. Ive given up on trying to help people who dont want it.
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CoCoPuffs 路 26-30, F
@Masarch96: exactly! I posted this for self fulfillment
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GeniUs 路 56-60, M
@Masarch96: yeah turns out some of us need a bit more than somebody saying 'there is a god' to believe there is a god.
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GeniUs 路 56-60, M
I would say the reason people choose not to believe in god, is that there is no evidence to support his existence anymore than there is to support the existence of (I'll use somebody else's analogy) The Flying Spaghetti Monster. So why do you believe in one but not the other?
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GeniUs 路 56-60, M
You truly are a dick. How have I made myself the centre of the universe? That is once again a get out for your lack of real argument. I lost faith because it was based on nothing, nobody (even the pope) can say it is based on anything with any substance to it because there is none. You really are a beginner when it comes to this religion malarky, pathetic, an embarrassment to your religion trying to side step the issues and trying to give me a backhander in the process. Let me reiterate you're an embarrassment, I was putting up better arguments than that 10 years ago.
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@GeniUs: Completely with you GeniUs. WellWellNow was polite, she gave you answers even if you disagreed, and didn't attack a person ad hominem. Dreammmer doesn't seem capable of staying on topic, and litters his replies with underhand comments.

As for faith, here's a great quote from Matt Dillahunty: "[i]Faith is the excuse people give for believing something when they don't have evidence[/i]."

Also, thanks for sharing your story earlier.
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CoCoPuffs 路 26-30, F
@TheOrdinaryGuy:
@GeniUs:
@Dreammmer: [image deleted]
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." - Hebrews 11

Fellas don't argue over this! That was not my intention when I posted and talked to you guys! Everyone go rest in their corners! 馃槉
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1. Yes, what the modern world doesn't understand is that we are all victims headed towards a sacrifice, and therefore suffering is necessary for redemption.
2. I am in love with you.
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@WellWellNow: Am I?馃槍
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CoCoPuffs 路 26-30, F
@sirjames: however, I believe suffering really is a choice...yes we all have pain and yes our redemption is found often after some tribulations or rough patch...you know its often said that some people have to hit rock bottom before seeking God. Our stories and struggles build character...we become the testimony and no longer a victim. Well that's how I see God; He turns our weaknesses into our armor.
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CoCoPuffs 路 26-30, F
@sirjames: you soooo are 馃槣
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Dreammmer 路 56-60, M
There might be a seeming number one argument. In reality it is not an argument at all. It is an excuse in my opinion. People do not need arguments to believe, they need Gods grace and power to come alive spiritually.
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GeniUs 路 56-60, M
Except you didn't do any of that! I clarified the point that god exists to you because you believe he does and you haven't answered any of the other points we put to you. However you do tick the box of average believer; can't explain it, time to call it a day.
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CoCoPuffs 路 26-30, F
@GeniUs: You're right, I addressed most of the other guy points and then you came in kind of late lol I apologize but I've already reached my limit.

But why should I debate about what I believe? Its my choice... Just like not believing is yours. So let's just leave it there.
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GeniUs 路 56-60, M
@WellWellNow: Ok I'll leave it, it is difficult to debate with 2 people at the same time.
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Abbenthewarwolf 路 18-21, M
Jesus wasn't God in the flesh.he was God's only begotten son.do you understand that.begotten means born.God has other sons not born of flesh.he was the only born.don't get it twisted
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Abbenthewarwolf 路 18-21, M
@Dreammmer: you are stupid you better re-read what was written.not some recent interpretation just added.to make Jesus into God because he wasn't.go to the old testament book of Job.and see what it says about God's Sons.not some nis.version or some new American version but the original versions don't add to something.that wasn't said.but someone had the gull to change the ordinal to mislead like you are being.mislead .and blinded by doctrine of man.
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Dreammmer 路 56-60, M
@Abbenthewolfserpent: Go home and learn some manners before you engage in a discussion with an adult. And please learn some basic english grammar.
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Abbenthewarwolf 路 18-21, M
@Dreammmer: you understood what I said.don't be mad at me because I told the truth. And I am sorry for calling you.a name.not nice I know.I didn't know you were old.I thought you were well 18 I didn't see your age l apologize Sir.my spelling and grammar is not good because I have dyslexia.and other disabilities but that's ok. At least you didn't curse at me or call me retard.have a blessed day.
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to turn people against god
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