No Christian can possibly win a debate defending their beliefs

@James25 You choose the word 'stagnant' which suggests lifeless and unmoving. The Christian faith is dynamic but based on firm foundations. Core beliefs are indeed immutable - that's why they are core beliefs. The Bible is discussed and re-interpreted all the time as part of the dynamism and worship and practice are always evolving. However, what I think you set out to do was say "I don't believe the basis of the Christian faith and you can't change my mind." So I won't try.

@FreddieUK what I meant is what I said. No Christian can possibly win a debate defending their beliefs. Meaning their belief in Jesus as the savior from sin and the Bible as the word of God cannot be proven to be true. You only believe and have faith that it is true.

You are better off having belief and faith in the Gospel of Thomas. Unlike the canonical Gospels, the Gospel of Thomas does not portray Jesus as a savior from sin, but as a teacher of secret spiritual knowledge.

@James25
I have no proof of such a thing and it is against the whole point of the canonical Gospels. God reveals Himself to all.

However, you are right in saying that reasoned debate will only get you so far in understanding the spiritual realm. After the Gospel story comes the Acts of the Apostles which shows how these frightened men and women hiding away in a room for fear of the authorities ended up suffering for their belief and changing the world, partly through logic based on the Jewish scriptures but mostly through the work of the Holy Spirit. That's who I rely on most. Foolish, I know, but that's the experience of millions around the world.

PS This weekend is when the Church celebrates that moment of change.

@James25 Yessir

@CurrentName if there is a finite area within a circle then there is the possibility of a finite value of the area of the circle.

@James25
This is absolutely true. We just need to convince Putin, Xi, Kim and other dictators of this. As far as I know the Pope no longer indulges in this (part of the changing understanding in his bit of Christianity) and even the awful Trump supporting so-called 'evangelicals' have not (yet) stooped to that.

@James25 like I said Mr proof a lot.
All you have to do is show me your evidence. For someone as sure as you seem, it should not be too difficult. Or you can continue whining in circles.
I'll wait.

@CurrentName Okay let me try and explain it to you in a different way using different language. Life exists on this planet right? That is a proven fact. I never said that I had Proof of Life existing elsewhere in the universe. That's not what I said. I said that there is proof that there is life on this planet. And if there is proof that there is life on this planet then there is a high probability that there could be life elsewhere in the universe. Or I could soften the language even more. There is a higher probability of there being life elsewhere or higher plausibility of there being life elsewhere.

@James25

Ok I'm going to try the same thing and make it simple for you.

You say...


"And if there is proof that there is life on this planet then there is a high probability that there..."

Why???

Where's the evidence of that. Where's the evidence, or theory of postulate of any kind anywhere that states that because there's life on earth there's a high possibility that theres life somewhere else in the universe.

A nything. Anything at all, that says..

Since there's life on earth there's a high possibility that there's life somewhere else in the universe.

Thing is that I agree with you. There must be life somewhere else. I mean 14 billion years is a long time plus the universe is hiluge with trillions of stars and planets. I agree with you.

But there's no evidence of that. I choose to believe that personally but I would never own that categorically because I don't know. It makes sense to me. But I cant prove it or assert it as true because THERE IS NO evidence for that.

Oh btw, you're not going to find any evidence of it besides the History Channel crazy hair guys shows.

So...if we are making the Having evidence to support our beliefs, using that as a parameter, then believing in alien life is the same as believing in the Man on the moon .