For those of you who are Christian
Do you think you invited Jesus into your life or that Jesus invited you into His Kingdom?
70-79, M
Carazaa · F
Romans 9
God’s Sovereign Choice
6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
15 For he says to Moses,
[b]“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”[i]
26 and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”[j]
27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28 For the Lord will carry out
his sentence on earth with speed and finality.”
29 It is just as Isaiah said previously:
“Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.”
Israel’s Unbelief
30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
God’s Sovereign Choice
6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
15 For he says to Moses,
[b]“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”[i]
26 and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”[j]
27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28 For the Lord will carry out
his sentence on earth with speed and finality.”
29 It is just as Isaiah said previously:
“Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.”
Israel’s Unbelief
30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
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@hippyjoe1955 No women do not have to wear head covering in churches today, that was a social expectation at the time.
This isn't a amateur dramatics play, this is church worship! Your statement makes no sense.
On another note not related to your comment I highlighted- bluntly, man does not have a role over women like this is a kinky dom/sub relation 24/7.
with men playing the role of God and women playing the role of mankind.
This isn't a amateur dramatics play, this is church worship! Your statement makes no sense.
On another note not related to your comment I highlighted- bluntly, man does not have a role over women like this is a kinky dom/sub relation 24/7.
Carazaa · F
@hippyjoe1955
You said, "Men are to be bareheaded because God has no authority over Him".
No, men account to God. All humans account to God. God has authority over all humans. when Jesus comes back, we have to answer for our lives, how we lived. There are two commandments to love God, and to love people.
You said, "Men are to be bareheaded because God has no authority over Him".
No, men account to God. All humans account to God. God has authority over all humans. when Jesus comes back, we have to answer for our lives, how we lived. There are two commandments to love God, and to love people.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@hippyjoe1955
"Honest question"?!
When you refer to career women as striving "to be men without penises"? 🙄
And as for the poll you cite, your argument sounds a lot like the argument that sometimes was made about the Antebellum South: "blacks were happier when they were slaves." 🙄 🙄
But to answer your dishonest question: I enjoy the right to vote,which a little over 100 years ago, I would not have had. I enjoy being well-educated, which 100 years ago was not impossible, but considerably more difficult for a woman than for a man. I can be a homemaker, or a career woman, or both, if I so choose. It's up to me.
And if, as your poll claims, women in non-traditional roles are less happy, maybe it's because there are still glass ceilings, and still instances where women are paid less for doing the same work as men.
"So what great benefit has feminism granted you? Honest question. The reason I ask is because I saw a survey conducted by some university that found that women in traditional roles are happier than their sisters who strive to be men without penises."
"Honest question"?!
When you refer to career women as striving "to be men without penises"? 🙄
And as for the poll you cite, your argument sounds a lot like the argument that sometimes was made about the Antebellum South: "blacks were happier when they were slaves." 🙄 🙄
But to answer your dishonest question: I enjoy the right to vote,which a little over 100 years ago, I would not have had. I enjoy being well-educated, which 100 years ago was not impossible, but considerably more difficult for a woman than for a man. I can be a homemaker, or a career woman, or both, if I so choose. It's up to me.
And if, as your poll claims, women in non-traditional roles are less happy, maybe it's because there are still glass ceilings, and still instances where women are paid less for doing the same work as men.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
"Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David."
Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David."
Iwillwait · M
Both
onewithshoes · 26-30, F
Dayman343 · M
@onewithshoes You spoke to him?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@val70
There are countless verses in the fairytale that say otherwise. The biblical God character is a racist bigot among many other faults.
The point that I always try to make is that God's invitation is never exclusive
There are countless verses in the fairytale that say otherwise. The biblical God character is a racist bigot among many other faults.
val70 · 51-55
@Diotrephes Go on and quote me a verse