FreestyleArt · 36-40, M
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@FreestyleArt I love you too buddy/brother.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
Also, the Talmud contains a record of the trial of Jesus, saying that the Sanhedrin found him guilty of witchcraft and that he was "hanged" (from a cross.).
So the Jewish record not only records his existence, but it also asserts that he did supernatural things, which of course skeptics would have regarded as witchcraft rather than as miraculous.
So the Jewish record not only records his existence, but it also asserts that he did supernatural things, which of course skeptics would have regarded as witchcraft rather than as miraculous.
DanielsASJ · 36-40, M
@LadyGrace Right. I asked God to let me hear from my loved one. God said before 08:30 AM I would hear them. And they were there at 08:29 AM. So, here, in this case, I was also talking to The Living God who hears me in real time and answers me in real time and Since, I talked to Jesus Christ. So, for me, He is My Lord. There have been many many such petitions answered by Him, not one.
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Point: Although that's in the Bible too where Pharisees accuse Jesus of healing through satan, that doesn't mean the Pharisees were accurate in their judgment. Satan blinds eyes and there were many that Satan turned against God to believe a lie.
Dr Watson, thank you for bringing that up, that’s a really important point. The Talmud does mention a Yeshua who was tried and executed around Passover. And Roman historians like Tacitus and Josephus also record Jesus’ crucifixion under Pilate.
So here’s what’s fascinating: even sources that weren’t friendly to Jesus still confirm 2 things:
1. He was real
2. He did things people couldn’t explain, like miracles.The New Testament most commonly lists 37 distinct miracles performed by Jesus in the Gospels, though the exact number varies between 34 and 50 depending on how individual events, group healings, and summaries are counted.
Pharisees called it “witchcraft.” The Gospels call it “miracles.” Same events, different interpretation. Even Jesus’ opponents in the Bible said, “He casts out demons by the prince of demons” - Matt 12:24. They didn’t deny He did it. They just disagreed on the source.
For me, the difference comes down to the resurrection.
An empty tomb. Eyewitnesses who were willing to die for what they saw. And 2000 years later, He’s still changing lives — including mine. ♥
Appreciate the conversation.
Point: Although that's in the Bible too where Pharisees accuse Jesus of healing through satan, that doesn't mean the Pharisees were accurate in their judgment. Satan blinds eyes and there were many that Satan turned against God to believe a lie.
Dr Watson, thank you for bringing that up, that’s a really important point. The Talmud does mention a Yeshua who was tried and executed around Passover. And Roman historians like Tacitus and Josephus also record Jesus’ crucifixion under Pilate.
So here’s what’s fascinating: even sources that weren’t friendly to Jesus still confirm 2 things:
1. He was real
2. He did things people couldn’t explain, like miracles.The New Testament most commonly lists 37 distinct miracles performed by Jesus in the Gospels, though the exact number varies between 34 and 50 depending on how individual events, group healings, and summaries are counted.
Pharisees called it “witchcraft.” The Gospels call it “miracles.” Same events, different interpretation. Even Jesus’ opponents in the Bible said, “He casts out demons by the prince of demons” - Matt 12:24. They didn’t deny He did it. They just disagreed on the source.
For me, the difference comes down to the resurrection.
An empty tomb. Eyewitnesses who were willing to die for what they saw. And 2000 years later, He’s still changing lives — including mine. ♥
Appreciate the conversation.
CuriousWonder · 61-69, M
I particularly like your point about hypocrites! You're right that they're everywhere.
The Gospel doesn't say people were gambling in the Temple, though. They were providing a currency exchange service for pilgrims.
The Gospel doesn't say people were gambling in the Temple, though. They were providing a currency exchange service for pilgrims.
CuriousWonder · 61-69, M
@DanielsASJ source?
DanielsASJ · 36-40, M
@CuriousWonder I would like to correct it a bit but yes - Den of thieves and a market.
@CuriousWonder Hey, thanks for catching that!
I think you missed my point. You are right...imperfect, broken, or hypocritical people do exist in churches. But that just tells me that's why we need to go to church... not avoid it! If we don't go just because there's people there we don't like or think they are faking it, I think that kind of makes us hypocritical as well, because we go to church so WE can worship the Lord and learn about Him. Not judge others or think we're better or above anyone else. And I'm not saying you do. I'm just making that point of the purpose of church.
Nothing saddens me more, than to see these phony preachers on TV that hurt or disillusioned others, and that devil uses that to turn people away from Christ. I do believe they'll have their place in hell for leading many astray.
What I meant to say was not gambling. You're right. What I meant to say was the Bible does not mention gambling in the temple; instead, it describes Jesus driving out merchants and money changers who were buying, selling, and exchanging currency. Making a mockery of God's Temple. Thank you for pointing that out. I was very tired when I wrote that so I messed up 🤭 but here are some verses about that:
• Matthew 21:12-13: Jesus enters the temple courts, drives out those buying and selling, and overturns the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves, saying, "My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you make it a den of robbers."
• Mark 11:15-17: Jesus drives out the buyers and sellers, overturns the money changers' tables and the dove sellers' seats, and quotes Isaiah and Jeremiah about the house of prayer.
• Luke 19:45-46: Jesus enters the temple and begins driving out those who were selling.
• John 2:13-17: Early in his ministry during Passover, Jesus makes a whip out of cords, drives out the sheep, cattle, and merchants, scatters the coins of the money changers, and overturns their tables, stating, "Stop turning my Father's house into a market!"
I think you missed my point. You are right...imperfect, broken, or hypocritical people do exist in churches. But that just tells me that's why we need to go to church... not avoid it! If we don't go just because there's people there we don't like or think they are faking it, I think that kind of makes us hypocritical as well, because we go to church so WE can worship the Lord and learn about Him. Not judge others or think we're better or above anyone else. And I'm not saying you do. I'm just making that point of the purpose of church.
Nothing saddens me more, than to see these phony preachers on TV that hurt or disillusioned others, and that devil uses that to turn people away from Christ. I do believe they'll have their place in hell for leading many astray.
What I meant to say was not gambling. You're right. What I meant to say was the Bible does not mention gambling in the temple; instead, it describes Jesus driving out merchants and money changers who were buying, selling, and exchanging currency. Making a mockery of God's Temple. Thank you for pointing that out. I was very tired when I wrote that so I messed up 🤭 but here are some verses about that:
• Matthew 21:12-13: Jesus enters the temple courts, drives out those buying and selling, and overturns the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves, saying, "My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you make it a den of robbers."
• Mark 11:15-17: Jesus drives out the buyers and sellers, overturns the money changers' tables and the dove sellers' seats, and quotes Isaiah and Jeremiah about the house of prayer.
• Luke 19:45-46: Jesus enters the temple and begins driving out those who were selling.
• John 2:13-17: Early in his ministry during Passover, Jesus makes a whip out of cords, drives out the sheep, cattle, and merchants, scatters the coins of the money changers, and overturns their tables, stating, "Stop turning my Father's house into a market!"