Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
We know about the different versions of the Christian Bible. Catholic, King James and now the evangelicals have their own Hobby Lobby Bible. Heavily edited, of course.
PathwayMachine · M
@Crazywaterspring There isn't much difference in translation. Hell, for example, sheol, hades, hell, all mean the same thing. The stuff you are talking about I think is what you read into it. The word hell appears in older translations but it isn't the hell of later Christianity.
Charity · 61-69
The Bible does indicate the soul is eternal, and can be destroyed only by God our Father.
Ecclesiastics 12:7 says the body goes back to the dust of the earth and the spirit returns to God who gave it, very similar to what Ezekiel said.
Jesus speaking in Matthew 10:28 Unless God destroys our souls they are immortal, only he has the power to do it.
Written in several scriptures every feet shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. There are thousands of years of people who have died whose souls have to still exist, for judgment such as that tooth take place Philippians 2:10-11.
What modern day Church's teaches as the Trinity exist in both Old and New Testaments. Both speak of the Son, both speak of the Father and both speak of the spirit of God / Holy Spirit, that is what the Trinity is the Father / the Son /and the Holy Ghost, whom Jesus called the Comforter.
https://biblicalmissiology.org/blog/2013/02/11/son-of-god-in-the-old-testament/
https://www.openbible.info/topics/holy_spirit_in_the_old_testament
The cross is mentioned in many places after the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. And whether it was a capital t- or small t-shaped cross, that is what he was crucified on, the Romans used such implements as form of punishment / executions.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/cross
You are correct, Christmas definitely a blend of paganism, Jesus wasn't born in December but according to some sources he was conceived in December and born sometime in mid September, some say August. And according to the same source the ancient Hebrews actually considered a newborn one year old when they were born because they started at one's date of conception. That's why Herod demanded the killing of all children 2 years and under. And what used to be a celebration of the birth of Christ is becoming more paganized in these modern days.
You are correct, Easter too is definitely blended with paganism blend it in with their celebrations to Ishtar or Isis the goddess of fertility and added the Bunny and eggs.
You are correct, Hell and hell's fire is also blended in with the teachings of paganisms. In the Old Testament there was no hell the Hebrews called Shoel which was simply a place of darkness where the dead go waiting judgment. No fire, no brimstone, no torment, only darkness and unawareness.
Ecclesiastics 12:7 says the body goes back to the dust of the earth and the spirit returns to God who gave it, very similar to what Ezekiel said.
Jesus speaking in Matthew 10:28 Unless God destroys our souls they are immortal, only he has the power to do it.
Written in several scriptures every feet shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. There are thousands of years of people who have died whose souls have to still exist, for judgment such as that tooth take place Philippians 2:10-11.
What modern day Church's teaches as the Trinity exist in both Old and New Testaments. Both speak of the Son, both speak of the Father and both speak of the spirit of God / Holy Spirit, that is what the Trinity is the Father / the Son /and the Holy Ghost, whom Jesus called the Comforter.
https://biblicalmissiology.org/blog/2013/02/11/son-of-god-in-the-old-testament/
https://www.openbible.info/topics/holy_spirit_in_the_old_testament
The cross is mentioned in many places after the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. And whether it was a capital t- or small t-shaped cross, that is what he was crucified on, the Romans used such implements as form of punishment / executions.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/cross
You are correct, Christmas definitely a blend of paganism, Jesus wasn't born in December but according to some sources he was conceived in December and born sometime in mid September, some say August. And according to the same source the ancient Hebrews actually considered a newborn one year old when they were born because they started at one's date of conception. That's why Herod demanded the killing of all children 2 years and under. And what used to be a celebration of the birth of Christ is becoming more paganized in these modern days.
You are correct, Easter too is definitely blended with paganism blend it in with their celebrations to Ishtar or Isis the goddess of fertility and added the Bunny and eggs.
You are correct, Hell and hell's fire is also blended in with the teachings of paganisms. In the Old Testament there was no hell the Hebrews called Shoel which was simply a place of darkness where the dead go waiting judgment. No fire, no brimstone, no torment, only darkness and unawareness.
shuhak · M
The concept of "hell" is taught in the bible. It may not be called that exact name (in some translations), but it is real. It is the place where the unsaved (those who do not choose God/Jesus) will spend eternity. In the bible, "death" usually means separation . The soul "dies" means it is separated from its creator, God. "hell" is a place where God isn't - no aspect of him (love, light, etc.). The soul is eternal (created by God in His image). ALL people (past, present, future) will exist eternally in either "heaven" (with God in His presence) or in "hell" (away from God's presence).
The term "trinity" isn't stated in the bible, eluded to -
(Genesis 1 ("Spirit hovered over the waters", "let US make man in OUR image", Matthew 3 - God's voice, Spirit in form of a dove, and Jesus himself.)
The cross was a Roman way of execution (quite referenced in history). Few people deny that Jesus died on a cross 9referenced in several historical documents).
True - Christmas and Easter are not in the bible (although the word "easter" is in one translation).
The term "trinity" isn't stated in the bible, eluded to -
(Genesis 1 ("Spirit hovered over the waters", "let US make man in OUR image", Matthew 3 - God's voice, Spirit in form of a dove, and Jesus himself.)
The cross was a Roman way of execution (quite referenced in history). Few people deny that Jesus died on a cross 9referenced in several historical documents).
True - Christmas and Easter are not in the bible (although the word "easter" is in one translation).
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shuhak · M
@PathwayMachine Ah, but it does. "Hell" is not the grave. All must die (physically - this is called the first death). This death is the separation of body and spirit (the body goes back to the dust from which it was made, while the spirit goes back to God who made it. We were "cursed" to die because we sinned and God did not want us living in that condition (that's why He cut off access to the tree of life that was in the Garden of Eden).
Yes, Satan and his angels were in heaven. However, they rebelled and were thrown out. Yes they came down to earth to try to tempt and try to mess up God's creation - people. ... and they still are.
No, Jesus did not go to "hell". He died, was buried and rose on the third day. In fact, as of now NO ONE is in or has gone to "hell". That wont take place until AFTER the final judgement. ALL who find salvation in Jesus Christ WILL live with Him eternally. That is the Good news (gospel) preached by Jesus Himslef.
Yes, Satan and his angels were in heaven. However, they rebelled and were thrown out. Yes they came down to earth to try to tempt and try to mess up God's creation - people. ... and they still are.
No, Jesus did not go to "hell". He died, was buried and rose on the third day. In fact, as of now NO ONE is in or has gone to "hell". That wont take place until AFTER the final judgement. ALL who find salvation in Jesus Christ WILL live with Him eternally. That is the Good news (gospel) preached by Jesus Himslef.
PathwayMachine · M
@shuhak No. Here is a detailed explanation of hell refuting all of those claims which I made some time ago. https://similarworlds.com/beliefs/hell/4313827-The-Reality-of-Hell-The-English-Word-Hell-The-old
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Ferise1 · 46-50, M
To kill the soul in hell might mean that you’re just in pain forever
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
@PathwayMachine well I feel like I’m falling into hell and I’m alive. Can you explain that?
PathwayMachine · M
@Ferise1 That would depend on what you call hell. In Buddhism it's a temporary spiritual restoration and in other religions it's permanent suffering, or the grave, hot or cold, etc. If you feel like your falling into a living hell, i.e. torment you could maybe consider Job. That always does it for me. Puts things into perspective. The sentiment you're talking about isn't uncommon throughout the Bible. Take a deep breath. Close your eyes for a second.
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
@PathwayMachine I do that all the time and nothing helps.
It’s an infinite crushing and pain😰 the kind you have in fever dreams but worse. When I go a long time without my pills I become super active to immerse myself in this reality to not get sucked into the other one😰
It’s an infinite crushing and pain😰 the kind you have in fever dreams but worse. When I go a long time without my pills I become super active to immerse myself in this reality to not get sucked into the other one😰