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I debunked a Christian ✝

I’m a Muslim, and I was chatting with a Protestant Christian. I can’t say I “debunked Christianity” overall, but I’m confident I at least refuted the specific point he brought up:

“Islam claims to be monotheistic, yet you worship the Kaaba 🕋 in Mecca, which is rooted in Arab paganism.”

I told him:

I’ll use the Bible’s own logic to show that Muslims are monotheistic.

Many Protestants in the USA, when they want to worship God in an “official” way, go to a church, sit on pews, and pray in front of a cross or a statue of Jesus. But this style of worship is not described in the Bible. In the Bible, people worshipped by standing, kneeling, and prostrating with their forehead on the ground , and sometimes they prayed facing a direction (toward the Temple in Jerusalem). If you walk into any mosque, Muslims worship exactly like this.

In fact, the Bible clearly condemns making an idol or carved image and then performing worship acts in front of it (Exodus 20:4–5, Leviticus 26:1, Deuteronomy 4:15–19, Deuteronomy 5:8–9).

Those verses do not add exceptions like: “unless it’s a cross,” or “unless it’s a statue of my son that will come later,” or “unless you’re not really meaning to worship the object itself but you mean me.” The commands are very direct. This is why the holiest people in the Bible didn’t pray the way you do. There is no verse where God (or Jesus/the apostles) commands Christians to put a physical cross in a church and pray facing it.

Now, regarding the Kaaba 🕋

Muslims do not worship it. We face its direction in prayer , and that idea is completely biblical. Biblical figures prayed facing the Temple in Jerusalem. For example:

Daniel 6:10 (KJV)
“Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.”

Solomon describes praying toward the Temple

1 Kings 8:29 (KJV)
“That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place.”
Does that mean they were worshipping the temple itself ? No.


Similarly, Muslims originally prayed toward the Temple in Jerusalem, but then God changed the direction to the Kaaba as a test of faith (this story is in the Qur’an 2:142–144). So we are not “worshipping the Kaaba.” We are worshipping God while facing a commanded direction, which is very biblical. If praying while facing a direction makes someone pagan, then the Bible would also be condemning its own prophets.

That’s why if you enter a mosque anywhere in the world, you won’t find an idol or a “mini Kaaba” that people pray in front of. People simply line up and pray toward the direction of the Kaaba.

Someone might argue: “But the Kaaba used to be a pagan site before Islam.”

Our belief is different. We believe the Kaaba was originally a place of monotheistic worship, then later became associated with paganism, and then was restored to monotheistic worship through Islam. That is not a strange idea. The Bible itself describes periods when the Temple in Jerusalem was corrupted by idolatry and later purified again, like when King Manasseh put pagan worship inside the Temple (2 Kings 21:4) and times were it was cleansed from paganism (2 Chronicles 29:5).

Someone might argue: “Okay, then why do Muslims go around it in circles during pilgrimage?”

Again, not because we worship it, but because God commanded it. Muslims circumambulate the Kaaba seven times on pilgrimage.

And again, the Bible contains a similar concept. God commanded the Israelites to go around Jericho seven times. That does not mean they were worshipping the city. It was simply obedience to a command from God.
They did it because God said so.
Simple as that.


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Note 1: i don’t believe in the Bible , I only used the Bible against him because he’s a Christian. It would have been illogical for me to use the Qur’an against him when he doesn’t believe in it.

Note 2: I have written the refutation in a very respectable manner and I expect the comments to be respectful. Any hate speech will be deleted.
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Adstar · 56-60, M
I’m a Muslim, and I was chatting with a Protestant Christian. I can’t say I “debunked Christianity” overall, but I’m confident I at least refuted the specific point he brought up:

“Islam claims to be monotheistic, yet you worship the Kaaba 🕋 in Mecca, which is rooted in Arab paganism.”

I told him:

I’ll use the Bible’s own logic to show that Muslims are monotheistic.

Many Protestants in the USA, when they want to worship God in an “official” way, go to a church, sit on pews, and pray in front of a cross or a statue of Jesus.

Every protestant church i have ever been in has NEVER had a statue of Jesus in it... That is what another religion, The catholic religion has in their churches... If there are churches with statues of Jesus in them then they are in rebellion against the Word of God and thus are NOT Christian churches..
Moon3624 · 22-25, F
@Adstar they still have crosses in them

I said cross or and statue of Jesus

According to the Bible which I don’t believe in
Muslims aren’t pagans
Christians are
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Moon3624 Yes.They have crosses to remind them of what Jesus went through to atone for their sins..

Non of them do acts of worship to the crosses like Muslims do to the black stone in mecca when they kiss it in the hope that the black stone will intercede for them on the day of judgement.. You cannot be more pagan then venerating a black stone, kissing it and seeking it's intervention..
Moon3624 · 22-25, F
@Adstar



“Yes.They have crosses to remind them of what Jesus went through to atone for their sins..”

You mean to remind you of the incident when God(also Jesus ) put the blame of the sin of Adam and Eve which you didn’t do on you (original sin) then in order to forgive a sin you didn’t do decided to get an innocent human (also happens to be God) to die ?

Anyways

You literally place a cross in the church then pray in front of it
And sometimes wear it as a necklace and kiss it .
this is paganism . In fact
I dare you to give me the name of one biblical figure who sat on a pew praying in front of a cross or kneeled in prayer in front of it like you lot do in your churches .

No one in the Bible did it
Not even mark or Matthew or John .so why do you do it ?

In fact building anything with your own hands (including crosses ) then praying in front of it
Is prohibited in the Bible Exodus 20:4–5, Leviticus 26:1, Deuteronomy 4:15–19, Deuteronomy 5:8–9
Those verses don’t make exceptions
So you folk decided to worship God not only in a way not mentioned in the bible but in a way your God forbade lol how ironic

Moving on ….



“ do to the black stone in mecca when they kiss it in the hope that the black stone will intercede for them on the day of judgement.. You cannot be more pagan then venerating a black stone, kissing it and seeking it's intervention..”


There’s not a single Quranic verse or Hadith where God tells us to kiss the black stone . We do not venerate a black stone nor worship it .. some people choose to kiss it cuz prophet Mohammed did it .


Companion of the prophet Mohammed and second caliph in Islam ʿUmar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb kissed the Black Stone and said :

“I know that you are only a stone; you can neither benefit nor harm. If I had not seen the Prophet kiss you, I would not kiss you.” Sahih al-Bukhari 1597



The hadith do not say Muslims should ask the Black Stone for intercession or that it has power.


Jāmiʿ at-Tirmidhī 961: The Prophet ﷺ said Allah will raise the Black Stone on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes and a tongue, and it will testify for whoever touched it in truth


Meaning God will enable an object to testify against humans
Where does it say that kissing it is a religious obligation or that we should venetrate it ?

Ironically this is also a biblical concept
The ability of something to intercede because God alow it is a very biblical concept

In Job 42:8
God commands Job’s friends to seek intercession from Job.
Guess this is paganism according to you because job was being worshipped


Adstar · 56-60, M
@Moon3624
You mean to remind you of the incident when God(also Jesus ) put the blame of the sin of Adam and Eve which you didn’t do on you (original sin) then in order to forgive a sin you didn’t do decided to get an innocent human (also happens to be God) to die ?

No.. Adam and Eve's sin is upon them not upon me.. We humans inherit the sin nature that Adam and Eve came to have because they came to have the knowledge of good and evil.. Your understanding of Christianity is Severely lacking..

And the LORD Jesus who is indeed God.. Paid the penalty of sin which is death.. for all who sin will die.. The LORD can forgive but the penalty for sin Must be paid for Pure Justice to be satisfied.. The execution of Jesus satisfied the Justice of God.. So that all who trust in the Atonement of Jesus have the penalty of their sins paid for in full by the LORD Jesus..

Anyways

You literally place a cross in the church then pray in front of it
And sometimes wear it as a necklace and kiss it .

They DO NOT pray to a Cross.. Thats like saying when muslims pray in a mosque they are praying to the Mosque.. Muslims would see that as a ridiculous statement just as Christians see your saying that Christians pray to a cross simply because there are crosses in churches.. It clearly shows your ignorance to Christians to say Christians are praying to a cross.. Your credibility goes to ZERO..

There’s not a single Quranic verse or Hadith where God tells us to kiss the black stone . We do not venerate a black stone nor worship it .. some people choose to kiss it cuz prophet Mohammed did it .

Yes and muslims are told that muhammad is the best example of the way to live for all muslims.. Therefore muhammd engaged in pagan kissing of the black stone and therefore all muslims according to islam must do muhammad did and kills the black stone this engaging in pure paganism..

“I know that you are only a stone; you can neither benefit nor harm. If I had not seen the Prophet kiss you, I would not kiss you.” Sahih al-Bukhari 1597

EXACTLY.. Here Bukhari is TALKING to the Black Stone.... The muslim Bukhari is talking to a STONE thus he is acknowledging that the Stome has a SPIRIT... He would not even talk to the Stone if He believed it was just an inanimate object.. A souless stone.. Bukhari believe the black stone was an intelligent living spirit who was able to listen to Bukhari talking to it... How much clearer can this abomination be??? Thanks for quoting a hadith that proves my Point..

Jāmiʿ at-Tirmidhī 961: The Prophet ﷺ said Allah will raise the Black Stone on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes and a tongue, and it will testify for whoever touched it in truth

AGAIN.. muhammad teaching that the stone knows who touched it / kissed it and will testify to God who kissed it during it's time in Mecca.. Thus muhammad is stating the the Stone is an intelligent spirit who acts as an agent of God.. providing witness to the religiosity of individual muslims down through the ages.. The Stone is a Spirit according to both mohammad and Bukhari.. But in truth it is only a Stone and to teach it as a Spirit agent of God is Blasphemy..

In Job 42:8
God commands Job’s friends to seek intercession from Job.
Guess this is paganism according to you because job was being worshipped

Job;s Friends are NOT IDOLS... They are living Human beings and humans praying for others is a well established teaching of God in the Torah and the Gospels.. Seeking the intercession of Idols / black stone is Blasphemy and pure paganism..

You muslims are totally deceived and seem to be unable to see the blasphemy you clearly take part in.. Probably out of loyalty to your parents or to you imams or even loyalty to your arab culture..

But those who place the words of their parents or religious authorities or their culture above the Word of God shall not have the eternal blessings of the LORD in His perfect eternal existence..