Predestined

Predestined there are those who would love to say that predestined means that there are those who have been predestined to go to hell and those who are predestined to be saved. And with this line of thinking there is no free will. That it is the plan of God to send who he chooses to hell and save who he chooses. And they use scriptures such as God has given some of us to Jesus already, or that Jesus loved us first.

The Bible teaches that God already knows the ending. The Bible teaches God already knows what we will and will not do.

God has already seen what we will do in our lives, he already knows the choices we will make even before we make them. God already knows who loves him and try to be obedient, we are going to mess up in some fashion.

That is where the predestined comes in, he already has seen the end and those who made choices according to his ways, those who loved him are those who fall under the category of predestined.

One can say we're just living out in present time what God has already seen us live out in our future time.

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Adstar · 56-60, M

Calvinism produced the 5 point TULIP doctrine.. I will post them below.. I do not believe in any of their 5 points.. So if you want to know about 5 point calvinism then it's all below for you...

T,U,L,I,P

"T" in "TULIP" stands for "Total Hereditary Depravity."

"Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature. Faith is not something man contributes to salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of salvation - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to God."

"U" in "TULIP" stands for "Unconditional Election" (Predestination).

"God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world rested solely in His own sovereign will. His choice of particular sinners was not based on any foreseen response of obedience on their part, such as faith, repentance, etc. On the contrary, God gives faith and repentance to each individual whom He selects. These acts are the result, not the cause of God's choice. Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any virtuous quality or act foreseen in man. Those whom God sovereignly elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing acceptance of Christ. Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation."

"L" in "TULIP" stands for "Limited Atonement."

"Christ's redeeming work was intended to save the elect only and actually secured salvation for them. His death was substitutionary endurance of the penalty of sin in the place of certain specified sinners. In addition to putting away the sins of His people, Christ's redemption secured everything necessary for their salvation, including faith which unites them to Him. The gift of faith is infallibly applied by the Spirit to all for whom Christ died, therefore guaranteeing their salvation."

"I" in "TULIP" stands for "Irresistible Grace."

"In addition to the outward general call to salvation which is made to everyone who hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a special inward call that inevitably brings them to salvation. The internal call (which is made only to the elect) cannot be rejected; it always results in conversion. By means of this special call the Spirit irresistibly draws sinners to Christ. He is not limited in His work of applying salvation by man's will, nor is he dependant upon man's cooperation for success. The Spirit graciously causes the elect sinner to cooperate, to believe, to repent, to come freely and willingly to Christ. God's grace, therefore, is invincible; it never fails to result in the salvation of those to whom it is extended."

Charity · 61-69

@Adstar
Thank you, beginning to see why atheist and agnostic say the things they say.

Wow, from my understanding of scripture and I can only speak for myself, much of their beliefs is totally different than what the Bible teaches.

Thanks again