Would you say this is true?

The most important thing to do in life isn't to try and be happy and enjoy all the good things that this world has to offer. Doing your best to be a good person, making others happy and making the world a better place.

That's not as important as realizing that basically all humans are evil enough to deserve non stop torture for ever and ever. And realizing that only through accepting Jesus as our savior and doing everything we can, no matter how difficult, to follow Christ fully and not being lukewarm. So that he has mercy on us and doesn't allow us to receive our just punishment. Which would be being given a new body that doesn't die, but still has all senses, feels pain, emotions, and memories of your life on earth. And than being thrown into a lake of fire where you will be left burning in intense pain and misery for all eternity.

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Miram · 31-35, F

No, my great great great great so many times great grandfather didn't go around telling people they are evil. And that all humans are evil.

Just that they are imperfect.

They do evil things.

Doing and being can be different. Evil needs be a predominant trait for someone to be evil.

So even just doing evil does not necessarily mean your whole is "evil."

You all think in binary too much.

Genesis 1:31 (NIV)
"God saw all that he had made, and it was very good."

And there are indeed verses that might tell people they are not good...

But not being good doesn't mean being evil alone..and not being evil doesn't mean being good alone.

We aren't as simple as that. We are as complex as the universe itself.

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Miram · 31-35, F

@Blazer420

When we look at someone else's suffering as also our suffering it is not hard to know we are punishing ourselves already. The world is in extreme tribulation, some places more than others.

We are better off not finding comfort in the thought that someone else has sheltered us from consequences..same for finding our guilt-relief in the thought we are absolved now...

Those can themselves be evil motivations. Can..

No one "deserves" to suffer.

If a god thought we deserve it, there wouldn't be alternatives. We would already be ONLY suffering..no choices out of it.

We created our own suffering yet we still have choices to decrease it..not by merits of thoughts alone and ascribing to a particular religion, by actions.

I don't think he thought of humans as deserving of suffering. His sacrifice is better seen as setting an example to humans to sacrifice for others even if they are imperfect. It is also not that they are worthy of sacrifice, it is that sacrifice itself is holy.

Miram · 31-35, F

@Blazer420

Now you go and pray and be nice to yourself and other people. Do make the world a better place. It does mostly matter.

Blazer420 · 36-40, M

@Miram I do, and I get what you're saying. Makes sense. Just crazy to me how many people do believe in what I said, almost makes me believe that they feel life is only about convincing God not to allow us to suffer in hell. I suppose I do feel it is possible but highly unlikely.
I like how you put it, if we were deserving of suffering we would already be there. And while life does have suffering, it also has a lot of beauty in it. And that's what makes it all worth it

NOS4R2 · 41-45

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