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The Prophecy of Pandemics

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7874133/

There are naturally some places that man has not recorded or know of that plagues have occurred in the ancient days before BC. But since there is no records it would seem they are few and far between.

When we moved into AD after the birth death and burial and Resurrection of Christ, pandemics begin to appear. In the first few centuries mainly to certain areas. As Time rolled on pandemics increased and the closer we got to the 20th and 21st century pandemics became worldwide. Could the answer be according to Daniel's 4:12 people will be moving to and fro in the last days?

History is showing an increase in pandemics and there are many that is not on this video that killed thousands in the past few hundred years, like polio that kills thousands, H1N1 that killed thousands and others.

According to prophecy something worse is coming. Those who believe in Christ stay alert.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
Firstly, are we talking of epidemics, mainly of endemic diseases, or pandemics?

Epidemics have likely always been quite common, historically. These include the so-called "plagues" the ancient Hebrews and others of their rime, recorded.

Pandemics, no. Those did not really start to appear until the waves of the Black Death (Bubonic Plague) across Europe from Mediaeval time on.

Endemic diseases have always been around, including Leprosy that was common in Europe as well as the tropical countries until only a few hundred years ago. Some of these might have flared and faded as epidemics.

Why?

Simply the huge growth of international travel within the last two or three hundred years. Prior to the European colonisers few people left their home countries; or even their home towns. There were traders and they would have brought infections with them, but they were relatively few in number. This growth has accelerated even more within the last fifty years thanks to air-travel now taken so much for granted.

Also of course...

- Populations were far smaller than today, although towns tended to be crowded and very insanitary places, even for the supposedly very sophisticated Romans.

- Most people did not live for very long, compared to today, anyway; dying from all sorts of diseases we now know are curable, and many avoidable; and injuries.

......

Regarding the "Spanish Flu", there was no such thing.

The 1918 Influenza Pandemic was of a strain spread by the very large numbers of troops and refugees moving around at the close of World War One.

Its origin has not been identified as most likely a particular, remote poultry farm with very unhealthy living conditions within America, not China, nor any other Asian country. The carriers were family members joining the Army, hence the fighting.

Another theory also discounted was it originated among British troops in the Western Front, but this seems a co-incidence with another, similar disease.

See https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC340389/

Why did it become wrongly-named the "Spanish 'Flu"? Censorship! The Press in the fighting countries was rigidly controlled during the War, and gave little or no publicity to the disease. Spain was neutral and its Press fully reported the outbreaks within Spain and elsewhere.


So that part of the heading diagram is incorrect on two counts, and by the same journal! I wonder how the the Antonine Plague could be blamed on China? I don't know how an epidemic or pandemic thousands of years ago can be traced accurately anyway but that one seems odd. There was some small-scale trading overland between Orient and Occident, thousands of miles apart, but no large-scale contact. Certainly no way to know if someone fell with an unfamiliar illness, it may have come from an infected traveller from far away.

Poor China does seem blamed for many, but always rightly? As nations become more and more connected I wonder if it becomes harder to establish any disease's source, though when politics starts to get in the way it becomes harder still. It's almost as if, "We don't know - so it must have been from Chinese pigs".


I do not place any weight on Biblical "prophecies" about plagues. They are only stating the obvious.

Its authors wrote of their Mediterranean-coastal cultures a few thousand years ago. Athough epidemics and assorted other natural disasters were, and are, rare in an individual's life, overall they were common enough regionally to be a serious fact of life. So of course such events will happen again and might lead to large-scale migrations. We know that now, and the Bible only shows some people realised it then, by their own societies' experiences.

The ancient seers were unable to understand the diseases and origins, and to forecast the next one; but had the sense not to try to predict when. A shame that sense is absent in those in our time who will not understand statistical comments like "hundred-year events", when one happens twice in twenty.


Unlike Daniel and his ilk, we can understand the diseases and possible origins.

Like them, we still cannot really predict what will be the next and when - only that one will happen of some sort at some time.

[The same with volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and major floods. Had the Holy Land been around the Gulf of Mexico its prophets would have listed great tempests (hurricanes and cyclones), instead.]
Charity · 61-69
@ArishMell the post title says pandemics, the YouTube video says pandemics, the Bible uses the word pestilence or plagues. Pandemics, pestilences, plagues are interchangeable.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plague

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pandemic

Now you can take it to whatever extreme you feel like, go right ahead.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Charity I wasn't taking it to any extremes, simply clarifying what is meant.

The Biblical plagues were probably quite limited in extent, really epidemics.

The Mediaval plagues or pestilences (to use the old-fashioned words) were a lot more international, modern ones even more so; so pandemics.

Simple as that.

The difficult bit is responding to them.
Charity · 61-69
@ArishMell

I didn't mention any Bible plagues, nor did the video


the medieval plagues killed millions, which the video mentioned. In the first few centuries traveled from one country to another. A centuries past to the point where the plagues went worldwide the last one covid, killing millions.

You probably should have said prophecies in the Bible has nothing to do with the plagues man is encountering but you wrote a lot of things indicating this that or the other, which I consider extreme.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Charity I was trying to extend the historical context but deliberately kept the Biblical reference low-key. All that mattered is old books such as those mention them, even though written a few thousand years ago.

What "things" do you consider "extreme", and in what way?

What is this "pledge"? A pledge is a promise, so what has been promised by whom?.
Charity · 61-69
@ArishMell voice typing error, I think most people would know it's supposed to be plagues.

Starting off saying ""firstly are we talking about epidemics, mainly of endemic disease or pandemics""says what your intent was.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Charity I was simply asking for clarification - epi or pan -demic - but I have noticed that missing the word "of" before "pandemics", made my own text a bit confusing!

I asked because the earliest recorded such events were probably limited to fairly small regions, but in any case irrespective of subject, if discussing anything technical I like to be sure what is actually intended.

I wondered why "pledge" because it's a long way from "plague", but thank you for correcting that.
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@ArishMell I was under the impression that the so called Spanish Flu actually originated in an army barracks in Kansas. The naming of it as "Spanish" was because other countries were at war and Spain was the first to actually report the disease whikst others kept it secret due to wartime reporting restrictions.
Charity · 61-69
@ArishMell ok, thanks for explaining
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@22Michelle The primary source is thought to have been a farm but the diease was probably carried to the barracks by someone from the farming family, who had a degree of resistance to it. Once in the fairly close, crowded confines of the barracks the germs had a party.

Spain was neutral in both World Wars so did not censor its Press.