Is the concept of " Trinity " scientifically proven ?
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SW-User
The Trinity or the Godhead is quite a simple concept to understand and is found all throughout nature. In case anyone has trouble envisaging Gods own
being and nature. "Notice that we have invisible red heat waves - a picture of the father. Yellow light rays that are seen - picturing the son. Blue chemical rays that can be seen by their effect - picturing the spirit. An even better picture is the sun. The sun puts out alpha, beta, and gamma rays. These rays are classified aslight, heat, and actinic rays. The sun puts out light rays that can be seen, but not felt, picturing Jesus Christ showing up in human form, heat rays that can be felt but not seen, picturing the Holy Spirit, and rays that can be neither seen nor felt, actinic rays, picturing God the Father. Lastly, the trinity is seen in water. The term H2O is three units. One unit of Oxygen and two units of hydrogen. This doesn't make three separate things; it is water, it is one thing. And yet water can appear in ice form, in liquid form, or in steam form. Ice as liquid is water. Liquid as ice is water. Liquid as steam is water. Water is water appearing in three forms, and sunlight is the sun appearing in three forms." - Peter Ruckman.
You see, we are made in the image of God, (as God says in Genesis 1:26 - Let us make man in our image) and every person is a body, soul, and spirit, yet they are one unit - and yet, they are three. God is also a body, soul, and spirit. Jesus Christ is the body. God the father is the soul and the Holy spirit is the, you guessed it, spirit. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
being and nature. "Notice that we have invisible red heat waves - a picture of the father. Yellow light rays that are seen - picturing the son. Blue chemical rays that can be seen by their effect - picturing the spirit. An even better picture is the sun. The sun puts out alpha, beta, and gamma rays. These rays are classified aslight, heat, and actinic rays. The sun puts out light rays that can be seen, but not felt, picturing Jesus Christ showing up in human form, heat rays that can be felt but not seen, picturing the Holy Spirit, and rays that can be neither seen nor felt, actinic rays, picturing God the Father. Lastly, the trinity is seen in water. The term H2O is three units. One unit of Oxygen and two units of hydrogen. This doesn't make three separate things; it is water, it is one thing. And yet water can appear in ice form, in liquid form, or in steam form. Ice as liquid is water. Liquid as ice is water. Liquid as steam is water. Water is water appearing in three forms, and sunlight is the sun appearing in three forms." - Peter Ruckman.
You see, we are made in the image of God, (as God says in Genesis 1:26 - Let us make man in our image) and every person is a body, soul, and spirit, yet they are one unit - and yet, they are three. God is also a body, soul, and spirit. Jesus Christ is the body. God the father is the soul and the Holy spirit is the, you guessed it, spirit. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
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seotelkniwt · F
@SW-User The trinity doctrine is already VERY confusing and non-sensical and you just made it even MORE complicated to understand. It doesnt take all that mystical complicated explaining. I wholeheartedly believe the trinity doctrine is uninspired and created from men's imagination. The Catholic church started this fiasco of lies about who God really is. And you're adding to the falsehood of the Trinity.
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@seotelkniwt You don't understand the trinity/Godhead because you are not saved. 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Jesus said that if you deny that He is God then you WILL die in your sins.
John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
According to God's word, you are dead in trespasses and sins right now (Ephesians 2:1). Repent and believe on the true Jesus Christ of the Bible.
There were three scriptures in my comment above proving the trinity. The Catholic Church did not invent the trinity. It is who God is and it is revealed in his word. God promised that he would preserve his word so we can trust that we have his word today and we can hold it in our hands. It's the King James Bible. Get yourself a copy.
Pslams 12:6-7 - The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Here are verses on the trinity:
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.
John 1:1-51 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Philippians 2:5-6 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Hebrews 1:8 - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The trinity is even in the first chapter of the Bible! Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Notice: Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image (singular).
John 14:8-9 - Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus said that if you deny that He is God then you WILL die in your sins.
John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
According to God's word, you are dead in trespasses and sins right now (Ephesians 2:1). Repent and believe on the true Jesus Christ of the Bible.
There were three scriptures in my comment above proving the trinity. The Catholic Church did not invent the trinity. It is who God is and it is revealed in his word. God promised that he would preserve his word so we can trust that we have his word today and we can hold it in our hands. It's the King James Bible. Get yourself a copy.
Pslams 12:6-7 - The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Here are verses on the trinity:
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.
John 1:1-51 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Philippians 2:5-6 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Hebrews 1:8 - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The trinity is even in the first chapter of the Bible! Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Notice: Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image (singular).
John 14:8-9 - Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
seotelkniwt · F
@SW-User Why is the word Trinity or the idea of a Trinity not in the Bible? Why didn't Jesus say he was part of a 3 headed monstrosity? If Jesus was God why did he pray to God in the Garden of Gethsemane to remove "this cup"? (MATTHEW 26:39). Was Jesus praying to himself and pretending that he was praying to his heavenly Father? Think about it. Put on your thinking cap sir. If Jesus was God, he could have removed it, the "cup" himself. The trinity says God, Jesus, and the holy spirit are all equal to one another, but Jesus said the Father is greater than he is. (JOHN 14:28, JOHN 20:17). And Jesus never mentioned a 3rd party called the holy ghost.
Holy spirit is nothing more God's active force that He, God uses to accomplish His will and purpose when it comes to humans and the 🌎.
There are so so so many scriptures in the Bible that disprove the false teaching of the Trinity
Holy spirit is nothing more God's active force that He, God uses to accomplish His will and purpose when it comes to humans and the 🌎.
There are so so so many scriptures in the Bible that disprove the false teaching of the Trinity
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@seotelkniwt Did you completely ignore all the scripture I provided? Those scriptures and scores more prove the trinity. The Biblical term for trinity is Godhead, like stated in Colossians 2:9.
The word trinity is not in the Bible, but the concept is there and the word Godhead is there (Colossians 2:9). The word trinity just means three in one and that is exactly what 1 John 5:7 says.
The word rapture is also not in the Bible but the concept is there. Rapture just means to be caught up or the catching away, which is exactly what the Bible says in 1 Thessalonians 4: 15-18 - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
But again, you are lost so you will not understand the Bible until you are saved. The Bible is a spiritual book.
Please consider your eternity today. I don't want you to go to Hell. It is a horrific place with weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, literal burning, darkness and complete hopeless which goes on forever. You won't understand anything in the scriptures until you're born again. Read this Gospel message:
https://similarworlds.com/christianity/5073095-The-Bible-is-really-clear-on-salvation-Its-not-based-on-how
The word trinity is not in the Bible, but the concept is there and the word Godhead is there (Colossians 2:9). The word trinity just means three in one and that is exactly what 1 John 5:7 says.
The word rapture is also not in the Bible but the concept is there. Rapture just means to be caught up or the catching away, which is exactly what the Bible says in 1 Thessalonians 4: 15-18 - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
But again, you are lost so you will not understand the Bible until you are saved. The Bible is a spiritual book.
Please consider your eternity today. I don't want you to go to Hell. It is a horrific place with weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, literal burning, darkness and complete hopeless which goes on forever. You won't understand anything in the scriptures until you're born again. Read this Gospel message:
https://similarworlds.com/christianity/5073095-The-Bible-is-really-clear-on-salvation-Its-not-based-on-how
seotelkniwt · F
@SW-User Did you consider the scriptures and reasoning points I provided?
SomeMichGuy · M
@SW-User No.
It is a device of humanity invented to try to deal with the Christological question.
The formulations in Greek and Latin are slightly different, and there was a lot more theological activity in the Greek East because of the number of important theological schools in the Greek-speaking world.
The formulation in the Latin Wesr is due to Tertullian (in N. Africa), who, as a lawyer, used a legal argument about property ownership and made an analogy with Divinity being wholly owned by three different entities.
Looking for threes in nature is not equivalent to any proof of Trinity.
It is a device of humanity invented to try to deal with the Christological question.
The formulations in Greek and Latin are slightly different, and there was a lot more theological activity in the Greek East because of the number of important theological schools in the Greek-speaking world.
The formulation in the Latin Wesr is due to Tertullian (in N. Africa), who, as a lawyer, used a legal argument about property ownership and made an analogy with Divinity being wholly owned by three different entities.
Looking for threes in nature is not equivalent to any proof of Trinity.
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@SomeMichGuy I proved it scripturally, but you reject the Bible. You don't understand the trinity/Godhead because you are not saved. 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Jesus said that if you deny that He is God then you WILL die in your sins.
John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
According to God's word, you are dead in trespasses and sins right now (Ephesians 2:1). Repent and believe on the true Jesus Christ of the Bible.
The trinity/Godhead is revealed in God's word. God promised that he would preserve his word so we can trust that we have his word today and we can hold it in our hands. It's the King James Bible. Get yourself a copy.
Pslams 12:6-7 - The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Here are verses on the trinity:
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.
John 1:1-51 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Philippians 2:5-6 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Hebrews 1:8 - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The trinity is even in the first chapter of the Bible! Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Notice: Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image (singular).
John 14:8-9 - Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus said that if you deny that He is God then you WILL die in your sins.
John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
According to God's word, you are dead in trespasses and sins right now (Ephesians 2:1). Repent and believe on the true Jesus Christ of the Bible.
The trinity/Godhead is revealed in God's word. God promised that he would preserve his word so we can trust that we have his word today and we can hold it in our hands. It's the King James Bible. Get yourself a copy.
Pslams 12:6-7 - The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Here are verses on the trinity:
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.
John 1:1-51 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Philippians 2:5-6 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Hebrews 1:8 - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The trinity is even in the first chapter of the Bible! Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Notice: Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image (singular).
John 14:8-9 - Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
SomeMichGuy · M
@SW-User No.
You didn't prove anything.
The word "trinity" is not Biblical.
You didn't prove anything.
The word "trinity" is not Biblical.
SW-User
@SomeMichGuy The word trinity is not in the Bible, but the concept is there and the word Godhead is there (Colossians 2:9). The word trinity just means three in one and that is exactly what 1 John 5:7 says.
The word rapture is also not in the Bible but the concept is there. Rapture just means to be caught up or the catching away, which is exactly what the Bible says in 1 Thessalonians 4: 15-18 - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
But again, you are lost so you will not understand the Bible until you are saved. The Bible is a spiritual book.
Please consider your eternity today. I don't want you to go to Hell. It is a horrific place with weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, literal burning, darkness and complete hopeless which goes on forever. You won't understand anything in the scriptures until you're born again. Read this Gospel message:
https://similarworlds.com/christianity/5073095-The-Bible-is-really-clear-on-salvation-Its-not-based-on-how
The word rapture is also not in the Bible but the concept is there. Rapture just means to be caught up or the catching away, which is exactly what the Bible says in 1 Thessalonians 4: 15-18 - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
But again, you are lost so you will not understand the Bible until you are saved. The Bible is a spiritual book.
Please consider your eternity today. I don't want you to go to Hell. It is a horrific place with weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, literal burning, darkness and complete hopeless which goes on forever. You won't understand anything in the scriptures until you're born again. Read this Gospel message:
https://similarworlds.com/christianity/5073095-The-Bible-is-really-clear-on-salvation-Its-not-based-on-how
SomeMichGuy · M
@SW-User No.
1 John 5:7 says that there are three who TESTIFY, NOT that they are one on the trinitarian sense! Agree, but not "3 in 1".
You simply can't let the words say what they say.
1 John 5:7 says that there are three who TESTIFY, NOT that they are one on the trinitarian sense! Agree, but not "3 in 1".
You simply can't let the words say what they say.
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@SomeMichGuy You are projecting. You are the one who cannot just let the words say what they say. Also, God's word says "For there are three that bear record in heaven", not there are three who testify. You're using a modern bible perversion, which adds to and removes from God's word. Get the real Bible - The King James Bible. 1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
SomeMichGuy · M
@SW-User
Which translation? Here is the NSRVUE:
1 John 5
6 This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one that testifies, for the Spirit is the truth. 7 There are three that testify:[b] 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree.
Not what you said AT ALL
Colossians 2
8 Watch out that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental principles[b] of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NOT GODHEAD
Which translation? Here is the NSRVUE:
1 John 5
6 This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one that testifies, for the Spirit is the truth. 7 There are three that testify:[b] 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree.
Not what you said AT ALL
Colossians 2
8 Watch out that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental principles[b] of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NOT GODHEAD
SW-User
@SomeMichGuy You're using a modern bible perversion, which adds to and removes from God's word. Get the real Bible - The King James Bible.
SomeMichGuy · M
@SW-User LMAO
It's a bad translation! lmao
It's a bad translation! lmao
SW-User
@SomeMichGuy You laugh at and hate Gods word because you are lost. You're dead in trespasses and sins. Repent and believe on the true Jesus Christ of the King James Bible.
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. - Psalms 12:6
English is the seventh language the Bible was written in. The seven languages recorded in history that the Bible was first written in are as follow:
1. Hebrew
2. Aramaic
3. Greek
4. Old Syriac
5. Old Latin
6. German
7. English
The King James Bible is the seventh English Bible to have its roots in the Masoretic text, (Hebrew Old Testament text) and the Textus Receptus, (Greek New Testament text).The Textus Receptus was preserved in Antioch Syria (where the disciples were first called Christians - Acts 11:26).
The first six English Bibles of the sixteenth century led to the seventh and final and perfect English, the KJB. The seven English Bibles from the proper manuscripts are as follows:
1. Tyndale New Testament 1526
2. Coverdale Bible. 1535
3. Matthew's Bible 1537
4. Great Bible 1539
5. Geneva Bible 1560
6. Bishop's Bible 1568
7. Authorized Version 1611
They were all part of the purification stages, Psalms 12:6-7, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." 7. "Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."
The 6 Modern English translations leading up to the KJV were all translated from various editions of what we call today the Greek "Textus Receptus." The first several of these printed Greek editions were published by Desiderius Erasmus, and later editions used to produce the Geneva Bible and Bishops Bible were published by Robert Estienne a.k.a Stephanus. The KJV translators also translated from the Greek Textus Receptus, using the editions of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza.
Modern Bible versions are translated from a completely different source. They are translated by critical texts edited by Nestle/Aland and the United Bible Societies in the 20th Century. These modern Greek editions are based on corrupt manuscripts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, as well as more recent Egyptian papyri discoveries. It is not a coincidence that Egypt is the source of the corruption underlying modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, etc.
The 6 Bibles leading up to the KJV were all translated from the Textus Receptus (the correct Greek textual tradition) and are therefore consistent with the KJV. They agree with the KJV. The modern versions, on the other hand, are dramatically different. Therefore, if a person accepts the modern Bible versions as accurate, they are not only rejecting the King James Version. They are also rejecting every English Bible that came before it! According to them, every English translation before the 20th Century has been wrong!
The King James Bible is the culmination of the 6 Bibles that led up to it. It is the culmination of almost 100 years of scholarship and sacrifice that gave us our English Bible. That is why the 6 earlier translations eventually went out of print, and the KJV became the standard English Bible used by virtually all Christians until recently. People recognized that the KJV was the final draft of the English Bible, so it replace the 6 rough drafts that led up to it. The 6 Bibles before the KJV were good Bibles, and the KJV could never have been the magnificent Bible that it is without having had those 6 excellent rough drafts.
God has gone to all the trouble to inspire the perfect originals. He has collated the books of the Old Testament and New Testament and documented their authenticity. He has preserved His words against attack from Roman Catholic tyrants and Alexandrian philosophers. This process has cost Him the lives, homes, and families of some of His most faithful servants. He assembled the very best scholars in history and had them translate it into the world’s language (English) in its absolutely purest form.
Get saved so that you can understand God's word. If you get saved, you will cherish the King James Bible, put effort into reading it, studying it and meditating on it every day. I mean, hello, we truly have the greatest treasure on earth - Gods word.
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. - Psalms 12:6
English is the seventh language the Bible was written in. The seven languages recorded in history that the Bible was first written in are as follow:
1. Hebrew
2. Aramaic
3. Greek
4. Old Syriac
5. Old Latin
6. German
7. English
The King James Bible is the seventh English Bible to have its roots in the Masoretic text, (Hebrew Old Testament text) and the Textus Receptus, (Greek New Testament text).The Textus Receptus was preserved in Antioch Syria (where the disciples were first called Christians - Acts 11:26).
The first six English Bibles of the sixteenth century led to the seventh and final and perfect English, the KJB. The seven English Bibles from the proper manuscripts are as follows:
1. Tyndale New Testament 1526
2. Coverdale Bible. 1535
3. Matthew's Bible 1537
4. Great Bible 1539
5. Geneva Bible 1560
6. Bishop's Bible 1568
7. Authorized Version 1611
They were all part of the purification stages, Psalms 12:6-7, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." 7. "Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."
The 6 Modern English translations leading up to the KJV were all translated from various editions of what we call today the Greek "Textus Receptus." The first several of these printed Greek editions were published by Desiderius Erasmus, and later editions used to produce the Geneva Bible and Bishops Bible were published by Robert Estienne a.k.a Stephanus. The KJV translators also translated from the Greek Textus Receptus, using the editions of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza.
Modern Bible versions are translated from a completely different source. They are translated by critical texts edited by Nestle/Aland and the United Bible Societies in the 20th Century. These modern Greek editions are based on corrupt manuscripts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, as well as more recent Egyptian papyri discoveries. It is not a coincidence that Egypt is the source of the corruption underlying modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, etc.
The 6 Bibles leading up to the KJV were all translated from the Textus Receptus (the correct Greek textual tradition) and are therefore consistent with the KJV. They agree with the KJV. The modern versions, on the other hand, are dramatically different. Therefore, if a person accepts the modern Bible versions as accurate, they are not only rejecting the King James Version. They are also rejecting every English Bible that came before it! According to them, every English translation before the 20th Century has been wrong!
The King James Bible is the culmination of the 6 Bibles that led up to it. It is the culmination of almost 100 years of scholarship and sacrifice that gave us our English Bible. That is why the 6 earlier translations eventually went out of print, and the KJV became the standard English Bible used by virtually all Christians until recently. People recognized that the KJV was the final draft of the English Bible, so it replace the 6 rough drafts that led up to it. The 6 Bibles before the KJV were good Bibles, and the KJV could never have been the magnificent Bible that it is without having had those 6 excellent rough drafts.
God has gone to all the trouble to inspire the perfect originals. He has collated the books of the Old Testament and New Testament and documented their authenticity. He has preserved His words against attack from Roman Catholic tyrants and Alexandrian philosophers. This process has cost Him the lives, homes, and families of some of His most faithful servants. He assembled the very best scholars in history and had them translate it into the world’s language (English) in its absolutely purest form.
Get saved so that you can understand God's word. If you get saved, you will cherish the King James Bible, put effort into reading it, studying it and meditating on it every day. I mean, hello, we truly have the greatest treasure on earth - Gods word.
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1John 5:7-8 has been incorrectly interpreted by the KJV Bible it is in the category of a spurious addition because the words are misleading: THE ACCURATE rendition of 1John 5:7-8 should actually read this way: FOR THERE ARE THREE WITNESS BEARERS: the spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
Water and blood are obviously not persons and neither is the holy spirit a person.
1John 5:7-8 has been incorrectly interpreted by the KJV Bible it is in the category of a spurious addition because the words are misleading: THE ACCURATE rendition of 1John 5:7-8 should actually read this way: FOR THERE ARE THREE WITNESS BEARERS: the spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
Water and blood are obviously not persons and neither is the holy spirit a person.
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@SW-User The KJV Bible is a corrupted Bible version that has many spurious additions in it.
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@seotelkniwt God said that he would preserve his words for ever (Psalms 12:6-7). If you believe that there are errors in the King James Bible, you are calling God a liar. God cannot lie and is always right about everything, so we can hold his perfect preserved word in our hands today.
Not only are you calling God a liar, but you are so insanely prideful and arrogant that you also believe that you are smarter than the 54 King James translators.
First is that, the scholarship of the men who translated the King James Bible is literally unsurpassable by today's scholars. Two books available best illustrate this and should be read by anyone who wants to seriously study the subject. They are Translators Revived , by Alexander McClure, Maranatha Publications, and The Men Behind the King James Version, by Gustavus Paine, Baker Book House. The men of the King James translation committee were scholars of unparalleled ability.
The men on the translation committee of the King James Bible were, without dispute, the most learned men of their day and vastly qualified for the job which they undertook. They were overall both academically qualified by their cumulative knowledge and spiritually qualified by their exemplary lives. Among their company were men who, academically, took a month's vacation and used the time to learn and master an entirely foreign language; wrote a Persian dictionary; invented a specialized mathematical ruler, one was an architect; mastered oriental languages; publicly debated in Greek; tutored Queen Elizabeth in Greek and mathematics; and of one it was said, "Hebrew he had at his fingers end". Yet head knowledge can be a curse if not tempered by a fervent, pious heart.
In this, the spiritual realm, they were light years ahead of many today who flaunt their education yet fail in any attempt at a practical, personal witness. This company was blessed with men known for their zeal and tact in debating and converting Romanists to Christ. They spent hours in private and family devotions. Many did the work of evangelism and even that of missionary representatives of later Queen Elizabeth. One, lived to the age of one hundred and three years. In the closing years of his life, after preaching for two full hours he said to his congregation, "I will no longer trespass on your patience" to which the entire congregation cried out with one consent, "For God's sake go on". He then continued his exposition of the Word of God at length.
Secondly, it would be foolish and contradictory to believe that today's scholars ever could equal or surpass those of the Authorized Version. Most Christians agree that the world, with time, degenerates. Morals have degenerated since 1611. Character has degenerated since 1611. Even our atmosphere has degenerated. Are we then to believe that education has gotten better? Only a worshiper of education could pretend to believe such a fairy tale. Education has degenerated along with the entire world system and could never produce a scholar equal to those of nearly four hundred years ago.
Not only are you calling God a liar, but you are so insanely prideful and arrogant that you also believe that you are smarter than the 54 King James translators.
First is that, the scholarship of the men who translated the King James Bible is literally unsurpassable by today's scholars. Two books available best illustrate this and should be read by anyone who wants to seriously study the subject. They are Translators Revived , by Alexander McClure, Maranatha Publications, and The Men Behind the King James Version, by Gustavus Paine, Baker Book House. The men of the King James translation committee were scholars of unparalleled ability.
The men on the translation committee of the King James Bible were, without dispute, the most learned men of their day and vastly qualified for the job which they undertook. They were overall both academically qualified by their cumulative knowledge and spiritually qualified by their exemplary lives. Among their company were men who, academically, took a month's vacation and used the time to learn and master an entirely foreign language; wrote a Persian dictionary; invented a specialized mathematical ruler, one was an architect; mastered oriental languages; publicly debated in Greek; tutored Queen Elizabeth in Greek and mathematics; and of one it was said, "Hebrew he had at his fingers end". Yet head knowledge can be a curse if not tempered by a fervent, pious heart.
In this, the spiritual realm, they were light years ahead of many today who flaunt their education yet fail in any attempt at a practical, personal witness. This company was blessed with men known for their zeal and tact in debating and converting Romanists to Christ. They spent hours in private and family devotions. Many did the work of evangelism and even that of missionary representatives of later Queen Elizabeth. One, lived to the age of one hundred and three years. In the closing years of his life, after preaching for two full hours he said to his congregation, "I will no longer trespass on your patience" to which the entire congregation cried out with one consent, "For God's sake go on". He then continued his exposition of the Word of God at length.
Secondly, it would be foolish and contradictory to believe that today's scholars ever could equal or surpass those of the Authorized Version. Most Christians agree that the world, with time, degenerates. Morals have degenerated since 1611. Character has degenerated since 1611. Even our atmosphere has degenerated. Are we then to believe that education has gotten better? Only a worshiper of education could pretend to believe such a fairy tale. Education has degenerated along with the entire world system and could never produce a scholar equal to those of nearly four hundred years ago.
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End of discussion. It's pointless communicating with you. I'm gonna do what Proverbs 26:4 tells me to do concerning you. I've already did Proverbs 26:5 concerning you but its pointless to continue with you when you already have your mind made up to continue promoting a falsehood called the TD. Maybe you will one day humble yourself and admit that the TD doesn't make sense to you either.
End of discussion. It's pointless communicating with you. I'm gonna do what Proverbs 26:4 tells me to do concerning you. I've already did Proverbs 26:5 concerning you but its pointless to continue with you when you already have your mind made up to continue promoting a falsehood called the TD. Maybe you will one day humble yourself and admit that the TD doesn't make sense to you either.
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@SomeMichGuy @seotelkniwt I'm not sure why I wasted my time arguing with two lost people. The both of you are dead in trespasses and sins so you can't understand God's word. You don't hear God's words because you are not of God.
John 8:47 - He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The both of you believe in a false Jesus of your own vain imagination. God's word warns of those who preach another Jesus:
2 Corinthians 11:4 - For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Jesus said that if you don't believe that He is God then you WILL die in your sins.
John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
You must believe that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.
1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
The both of you are on your way to Hell. Again, I plead with you to repent and believe on the true Jesus Christ of the King James Bible.
Please consider your eternity today. I don't want you to go to Hell. It is a horrific place with weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, literal burning, darkness and complete hopeless which goes on forever. You won't understand anything in the scriptures until you're born again. Read this Gospel message:
https://similarworlds.com/christianity/5073095-The-Bible-is-really-clear-on-salvation-Its-not-based-on-how
John 8:47 - He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The both of you believe in a false Jesus of your own vain imagination. God's word warns of those who preach another Jesus:
2 Corinthians 11:4 - For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Jesus said that if you don't believe that He is God then you WILL die in your sins.
John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
You must believe that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.
1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
The both of you are on your way to Hell. Again, I plead with you to repent and believe on the true Jesus Christ of the King James Bible.
Please consider your eternity today. I don't want you to go to Hell. It is a horrific place with weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, literal burning, darkness and complete hopeless which goes on forever. You won't understand anything in the scriptures until you're born again. Read this Gospel message:
https://similarworlds.com/christianity/5073095-The-Bible-is-really-clear-on-salvation-Its-not-based-on-how
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