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Why didn't God forgive Adam and Eve?

If God eventually sends his son Jesus Christ as our savior to forgive our sins why didn't God just forgive Adam and Eve in the first place? And if God is perfect and knows everything wouldn't he have known what Adam and Eve were going to do? And wouldn't God have known that he was going to send Jesus to forgive our sins? None of it makes sense. There's got to be something wrong with people who believe this stuff. And no one will be able to answer these questions. Because there is no answer to something that is illogical and makes no sense. They just believe in something they can't explain because they haven't figured out a greater understanding of life. There's only the hope that they will eventually evolve out of these primitive belief systems.
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Adstar · 56-60, M
If God eventually sends his son Jesus Christ as our savior to forgive our sins why didn't God just forgive Adam and Eve in the first place?

Because Justice has to be done, otherwise God would be corrupt and therefore satan would be able to bring an accusation against Him.. The death penalty for sin must be Paid.. And Jesus paid it on the cross..


And if God is perfect and knows everything wouldn't he have known what Adam and Eve were going to do?

Yes he foreknew what Adam and Eve where going to do.. That does not change the fact that Adam and Eve did what they did..

And wouldn't God have known that he was going to send Jesus to forgive our sins?

Yes God had a plan to Redeem us from the very beggining..


None of it makes sense.

To You... But it makes perfect sense to me..


There's got to be something wrong with people who believe this stuff.

Nope there is something limited within you.. But we all know when the proud don't understand something they don't question their own lack of the ability to understand, They denigrate that which they don't understand..


The rest of your post is just denigration and calling others inferior to you.. Which is what one would expect from a prideful person..
James25 · 61-69, M
@Adstar
Because Justice has to be done.

God created Adam and Eve in his image. Was this the perfect image of God and all of his essence? Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge understanding and wisdom of God. The cards were stacked against them so to speak. This and the evil influence of a serpent to disobey God. It does not seem Adam and Eve even had a chance. And then for there to be such a stiff penalty for their disobedience. Adam and Eve were like children. I think God could have shown a little more understanding. This seems to be a very punitive and imperfect form of justice. I certainly would not have penalized children in such a way.

You are right I do not understand your beliefs. It is not necessarily that I lack the ability to understand but just as likely that your beliefs don't make any sense. And therefore cannot be understood.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@James25
God created Adam and Eve in his image. Was this the perfect image of God and all of his essence?

Image is only Image it is not substance.. If i take a photo of a bear have i created another actual bear.. No i have only created an image of a bear..


Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge understanding and wisdom of God. The cards were stacked against them so to speak.

And so the decision they had to make was made an easy uncomplicated one.. One that they did have the wisdom and power to make by their own free will.. God said do not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for on the day you do you shall die.. Satan made another counter claim and Adam and Eve had the freedom to decide who was telling the truth and who was a liar.. They decided that satan was telling the truth and God was a Liar.. They made the error.. It was their error.. They had a choice, they choose badly..


Adam and Eve were like children.

Yeah and children have the choice to either obey their parents or to disobey their parents.. It is their choice, which they have the power to make that choice.


I certainly would not have penalized children in such a way.

You a human being.. He is The God.. Your judgements are relative to your compromised standards.. Gods standards are absolute because He is perfect.. So the pass mark for God is 100% perfection.. 99.99% is a fail to Him..


You are right I do not understand your beliefs. It is not necessarily that I lack the ability to understand but just as likely that your beliefs don't make any sense. And therefore cannot be understood.

Maybe you are being blocked from understanding because deep down in your consience you are rejecting the Way God has made for you to be Redeemed?
@Adstar
God said do not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
Have you ever told a kid not to do something? Apparently that's like a lightbulb to a bug.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@NativePortlander1970 Still a Child has the power to decide to follow the order of their parent or to go against it.. Kids have been making decisions for generations like that.. Some decide to follow their parents wishes and some decide to go against their wishes.. Such is life..
@Adstar You obviously have never had kids, or been around nieces or nephews.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@NativePortlander1970 LOL i was a kid.. Why do i even need to have my own kids when i was a kid.. Are you just opposing what i say just because you feel you need to oppose anything i say? If i said water is wet are you going to argue that water is dry....
James25 · 61-69, M
@Adstar so you mean God looked like a human being? Interesting. Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil. They had no knowledge of right and wrong. They did not know disobeying God was wrong. They had choice but they had no wisdom to make it. They didn't make an error. They had no knowledge of what an error is. And they had no knowledge of what a liar is. They were fooled by Satan because they had no knowledge of what a lie is. And they had no knowledge of what being deceived is. And why was Satan in the Garden of Eden in the first place? Why did God allow Satan to tempt Adam and Eve? Why would God allow Satan to even be there and tempt Adam and Eve? Also there are other versions of these stories written before the bible. The Bible borrowed these stories from earlier versions written by other cultures. And there are two versions of the story in the Bible.

I have been trying to point out the inconsistencies in the Adam and Eve story. But there is one greater inconsistency in this story. The whole idea of Adam and Eve is a fairy tale. And the whole Genesis story is a fairytale. The earth and the universe took billions of years to form. And it took millions of years for human beings to evolve. Saying that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days is absolutely ridiculous. It's like believing the earth is flat. There are still people to this day that believe the earth is flat. That is ridiculous!
Oh look @James25 , the MOST PERFECT human being is debating us, we must bow down before @Adstar in all of his superiority.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@James25
@Adstar so you mean God looked like a human being? Interesting. Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil. They had no knowledge of right and wrong. They did not know disobeying God was wrong.

They had the ability to either believe Gods warning or believe satans lie.. They chose to disbelieve God and to believe satan.. And now we know believing God is the Key to one having eternal salvation..

They were fooled by Satan because they had no knowledge of what a lie is.

They had received two contradictory statements.. One from God that said they would die if they ate of the fruit and one from satan who said they would become gods if they ate the fruit.. They would have known one of the statements had to be a lie.. They chose to believe satan was telling the truth and God was telling a like.. Their big error..


And why was Satan in the Garden of Eden in the first place? Why did God allow Satan to tempt Adam and Eve? Why would God allow Satan to even be there and tempt Adam and Eve?

To reveal to the heavenly host that satans claim to Godhood was false by using His universe creation as a stage whereby satans claim to Godhood could be put to the test and end up revealing the just how false satans claim to Godhood was.. Don't you know about the great controversy? satan because of his pride made the claim that he could be a god equal to God and in the end 1/3rd of the Angels joined him in seeking to establish this claim.. So God gave satan enough rope to hang himself in the garden of Eden and satan took the bait and made his sabotage attempt upon Gods creation.. But He did not realize that God had a plan to Redeem His creation.. God foreknew what satan would do but already had the solution to overcome satans sabotage. Thereby saving us and through demonstration reveal the falsity of satans claim to Godhood..

The Bible borrowed these stories from earlier versions written by other cultures. And there are two versions of the story in the Bible.

Nope the other cultures derived their versions from the times of the tower of Babel when the earths population all lived in the same area.. When they where divided all over the earth they took with them the story and the memory of the great flood.. And that's why you can find such stories modified by time in diverse places like native American cultures and native Australian cultures and China India and Africa.. The very fact that flood stories are all over the world CONFIRMS the Bible story of the flood is true not false..

The rest of your reply is just statement making with no actual points worthy of reply except for me stating i do not believe those statements..
@Adstar So then, how did the kangaroos and platypus get to the "ark" then, hmmm?
Adstar · 56-60, M
@NativePortlander1970 The world was united then.. They where divided after the tower of Babel incident.. Even geologists believe the worlds land mass was once united and they call it Pangaea..
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