CSGoodman · 56-60
Basic reply.
As to relegation, this reminds me of possible worlds semantics in western analytic philosophy; even as in a reductio ad absurdum, assuming the truth of an opposing statement, presupposing it for dialectic sake...extending an adverse view the "benefit of the doubt"; albeit not here to logically discard. To "relegate."
Something of this makes me think of "Go." The ancient game. Conceptually valid, this impression?
I suppose the issue I begin to see is, of course, to me, the Eastern "metaphysic" by nature is going be, lets say more, accommodating, and its aesthetic "pride", sense-percieved elegance, is just there, like as colors and geometry of an ever-spreading canvass whose form is... should one dare say? lest they find themselves "contained" inside a form a pattern a pastiche of a grandeur greater than they'd seen, accounted, for?
How do I compare the "biblical" worldview-- which I must for my purpose here take for granted? sans citation-- to this?
If this be labeled a "metaphysic" (which word i disdain inadequate) it is like unto...
... the matter of the Canvass, and its Painter, the Artist and his medium...
They are categorically distinct, The Creater: the created.
One Uncreated Being is Other and sensibly likened as the Father of all the other beings who are the offspring, and children, which He made by His choice to be a Family under His "roof"; this, not out of any need He had of them but just His desire, for a family.
For the Family He created the World, the heaven-earth, to populate its 2 realms: in the Heavens, the mighty spirits whom He made to govern the Mysteries and
Powers that are in the Heavens; these "High, Lofty Ones" He placed as Stars in the Heavens above the earthly realm to govern times, signs, and seasons in the earth for the sake of His children in the earth. His more lowly, yet Special, children, for whose purpose He made the whole World....
The Father will send a Son directly from Himself for the sake of his earthly children and He will be the Son who Finishes His Father's Plan for the whole World
because this Unique Son of the Father donning lowly flesh will be the Bridge who WILL connect highest Heavens to lowest depths of earth, IN and THROUGH His glorified body, and He will bring the children to the Father, the Father to His children, because the Son is buried in the earth to make The Way appear in it, which is from the Son going directly to the Father, and then the Family will live all together.
You must permit me my flourish my dramatization here, and excuse me for it, but this is what I was suggesting when saying I disdain such term as "metaphysic" wholly inadequate to describe the thrust the affect of what Christianity truly presents:
For you see, Christianity/the Bible itself begins and ends with Persons, concerns persons, makes sense of People, Family, Relationships
This concern with Family as shaping Reality is seen in early mankind in its linguistic foundation model being that of Royal Dynasties-- the ancient rubric and metaphor of the Household of the King and its Order-- that you find as far back embedding ancient man's writings about the gods and the world as we've gotten unearthed
The Truth conceptually winds up being a Person! if you permit the Bible its say on the matter...
Consequently, you will find the Bible regards esoteric metaphysic philosophic notions as vanity, mind-games men are susceptible to lionize, sophistry
And dangerous. Because I digress, but in the mythic drama and motifs of the Bible's history of the significant divine/earthly "Events" that lead up to the world as we inherited it since The Nations first began...
... well, there's a drama involving certain Persons-- the mighty spirits, the gods of the heavens which were set up there in their positions of power, influences, and capacities inside realms-- and a predilection to share with the children of earth certain Mysteries in the Heavens that are really Secrets taken out of context...
... lies, but ones which confer power, and tangible, too
Desirable to make one wise.
As to relegation, this reminds me of possible worlds semantics in western analytic philosophy; even as in a reductio ad absurdum, assuming the truth of an opposing statement, presupposing it for dialectic sake...extending an adverse view the "benefit of the doubt"; albeit not here to logically discard. To "relegate."
Something of this makes me think of "Go." The ancient game. Conceptually valid, this impression?
I suppose the issue I begin to see is, of course, to me, the Eastern "metaphysic" by nature is going be, lets say more, accommodating, and its aesthetic "pride", sense-percieved elegance, is just there, like as colors and geometry of an ever-spreading canvass whose form is... should one dare say? lest they find themselves "contained" inside a form a pattern a pastiche of a grandeur greater than they'd seen, accounted, for?
How do I compare the "biblical" worldview-- which I must for my purpose here take for granted? sans citation-- to this?
If this be labeled a "metaphysic" (which word i disdain inadequate) it is like unto...
... the matter of the Canvass, and its Painter, the Artist and his medium...
They are categorically distinct, The Creater: the created.
One Uncreated Being is Other and sensibly likened as the Father of all the other beings who are the offspring, and children, which He made by His choice to be a Family under His "roof"; this, not out of any need He had of them but just His desire, for a family.
For the Family He created the World, the heaven-earth, to populate its 2 realms: in the Heavens, the mighty spirits whom He made to govern the Mysteries and
Powers that are in the Heavens; these "High, Lofty Ones" He placed as Stars in the Heavens above the earthly realm to govern times, signs, and seasons in the earth for the sake of His children in the earth. His more lowly, yet Special, children, for whose purpose He made the whole World....
The Father will send a Son directly from Himself for the sake of his earthly children and He will be the Son who Finishes His Father's Plan for the whole World
because this Unique Son of the Father donning lowly flesh will be the Bridge who WILL connect highest Heavens to lowest depths of earth, IN and THROUGH His glorified body, and He will bring the children to the Father, the Father to His children, because the Son is buried in the earth to make The Way appear in it, which is from the Son going directly to the Father, and then the Family will live all together.
You must permit me my flourish my dramatization here, and excuse me for it, but this is what I was suggesting when saying I disdain such term as "metaphysic" wholly inadequate to describe the thrust the affect of what Christianity truly presents:
For you see, Christianity/the Bible itself begins and ends with Persons, concerns persons, makes sense of People, Family, Relationships
This concern with Family as shaping Reality is seen in early mankind in its linguistic foundation model being that of Royal Dynasties-- the ancient rubric and metaphor of the Household of the King and its Order-- that you find as far back embedding ancient man's writings about the gods and the world as we've gotten unearthed
The Truth conceptually winds up being a Person! if you permit the Bible its say on the matter...
Consequently, you will find the Bible regards esoteric metaphysic philosophic notions as vanity, mind-games men are susceptible to lionize, sophistry
And dangerous. Because I digress, but in the mythic drama and motifs of the Bible's history of the significant divine/earthly "Events" that lead up to the world as we inherited it since The Nations first began...
... well, there's a drama involving certain Persons-- the mighty spirits, the gods of the heavens which were set up there in their positions of power, influences, and capacities inside realms-- and a predilection to share with the children of earth certain Mysteries in the Heavens that are really Secrets taken out of context...
... lies, but ones which confer power, and tangible, too
Desirable to make one wise.
Obviously the understanding of Christianity advocated here answers some of the questions often put forward by many.
i.e. What about people who have been born and have died before the birth of Jesus?
What about those who have never heard of Jesus or been told about him.
Given the Christianity spoken of here (which is in fact quite mainstream) such questions have perfectly simple answers.
That the reality of Christ, as the Eternal Logos, through Whom all things are made (St John's Gospel) encompasses the historical Incarnation, which lasted just 30 or so years and is now of the past, is also Eternal. That, as the Christian mystic Meister Eckhart has said:- "The Father is eternally giving birth to the Son".
Why would anyone be afraid of this? Of witnessing to it? That God's love is infinite within time and space?
i.e. What about people who have been born and have died before the birth of Jesus?
What about those who have never heard of Jesus or been told about him.
Given the Christianity spoken of here (which is in fact quite mainstream) such questions have perfectly simple answers.
That the reality of Christ, as the Eternal Logos, through Whom all things are made (St John's Gospel) encompasses the historical Incarnation, which lasted just 30 or so years and is now of the past, is also Eternal. That, as the Christian mystic Meister Eckhart has said:- "The Father is eternally giving birth to the Son".
Why would anyone be afraid of this? Of witnessing to it? That God's love is infinite within time and space?
Even Christianity as understood by many retains claims to be supremely unique.
While each of our World Faiths are unique - singular - Christianity seeks to claim a unique uniqueness!
Thus the world's Faiths are deemed to orbit the Christian Faith, rather than all our World's faiths, including Christianity, orbiting the Source, Reality-as-is, God.
It is a common insight that every particular contains the Universal. That being so, Jesus contained the Universal. In that sense, was God.
Alas, in seeking to claim that Jesus has a unique uniqueness, was a unique particular, Christianity can take a step that brings only confusion and totally unnecessary mystification. Not to mention the conflicts and crusades and wars (even between Christians) that have marred its history.
While each of our World Faiths are unique - singular - Christianity seeks to claim a unique uniqueness!
Thus the world's Faiths are deemed to orbit the Christian Faith, rather than all our World's faiths, including Christianity, orbiting the Source, Reality-as-is, God.
It is a common insight that every particular contains the Universal. That being so, Jesus contained the Universal. In that sense, was God.
Alas, in seeking to claim that Jesus has a unique uniqueness, was a unique particular, Christianity can take a step that brings only confusion and totally unnecessary mystification. Not to mention the conflicts and crusades and wars (even between Christians) that have marred its history.
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@jshm2 And just to add, your comment is irrelevant in the context of the purpose of this thread.
Irrespective of how the Christian Faith (of any description) came to be is not the subject I am addressing.
I merely note the complete silence of our "one way" friends.
Irrespective of how the Christian Faith (of any description) came to be is not the subject I am addressing.
I merely note the complete silence of our "one way" friends.
Well, that is me done. Little interest, and I assume that having ignored this entire thread, the "one wayers" of Jesusainity will soon be testifying to that Faith elsewhere.
All the best to you all.
All the best to you all.
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@Max312 What on earth has that got to do with this thread?
Or do you think having a one-track mind is some sort of evidence of having the Spirit that blows where it will?
Or do you think having a one-track mind is some sort of evidence of having the Spirit that blows where it will?
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@Max312 Well, OK, thanks. I simply could not see a connection.