This is so true!!

@BibleData
People can choose to celebrate or not or use the more neutral Happy Holidays .
I think some celebrate the fact He came into the world more than the happy birthday aspect.
It's a sad cold world without some celebrations/ holidays in it.
CS Lewis put it as .. " making it always winter and never Christmas"

The bible only says a star appeared in the East with no reference to Satan.

@BibleData We know this. It’s trotted out once a year. Christmas is a symbolic celebration. We’re not exactly sure when my adopted brother’s actual birthdate is, but it doesn’t hang anyone up, nor do we argue whether he’s real.

@Graylight Like the golden calf, which was adopted by the Israelite slaves after leaving Egypt. They took the celebration of the Egyptian god and made it into a celebration of God. They danced and sang and had a good time. God's reaction? He wanted to destroy them all. Moses had to talk him out of it.

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@BibleData No, really nothing like that.

@Graylight How is it nothing like that when it is exactly like that?

So Christmas, from the pagan celebrations of the winter solstice, Yule, Odin and Saturnalia, celebrated long before Christ, was adopted by apostate Christians in a Satanic celebration and turned into greed and materialism of corporate America is justified by idiot Christians. Traditions of men. So they can feel good about themselves in the dark winter. Good goin' guys. You Satanic loons.

@BibleData
I hope the God of the universe will come into your heart this Christmas and shine a light so you will understand what this post is really about
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@Carazaa This post is really about the traditions of men, as Jesus pointed out to the religious people of his day, now I do. As they reject him, you reject me. God's message is only ever accepted by people once they have distorted it into their own.

Christmas makes you feel good and the people will continue to celebrate it no matter what. The religious Jews killed the messiah they had waited thousands of years for, so it is today. Kill the messenger and ferment the massage to make you drunk. As the whore from Babylon the Great.

@BibleData I'm going to watch the world final right now and I'll deal with you later 😂

@Carazaa You are a friend of the world. You will see that before it's over.

@BibleData Messi came through, good for him! ⚽

@BibleData the wise men coming was symbolic to show that Jesus was for gentiles as well as Jews and the gifts were prophetic for His life and death

@TheWildEcho They are called wise men because they were astrologers. Astrologers were educated in writing and math. Satan directed them to Herod first because Herod wanted Jesus dead. Satan was trying to lead Herod to Jesus so he could have him killed. No one else saw this "star" that moved. And no one knew how many magi (i.e. magicians) The word magi comes from the Greek magos. Astrologers, stargazers. They were diviners, which was detestable to God. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)

When the astrologers visited Jesus he wasn't a newborn baby in a manger, he was two years old and living in a house. King Herod didn't want the competition so planned on killing Jesus by following the astrologers. (Matthew 2:1-18) Since his plan failed he killed all male children 2 and under in Bethlehem and the surrounding districts.

@BibleData How fascinating it must have been to have been there in person and know so much about the whole night. 🙄

What you proffer are the best bits of knowledge we have, but little is certain.

@Graylight So? What I proffer is what the Bible says about Satan. If you think you need to distort the word of God to enjoy the pagan holiday you are mistaken. If you want to imply by understanding the simple facts before you I had to have been there the obfuscation doesn't work. There is no justification for Christmas, a detestable celebration in God's eyes. And I don't have to be God to know that. He makes it crystal clear.

@BibleData Before I act, may I ask... what's your religious and educational background where it pertains to this issue?

@Graylight What difference would that make in discerning the traditions of men?

@BibleData I'm asking because I'm interested in exactly what road you're driving. You call yourself a skeptic, you aggressively argue with religious points and then discuss the presence of Satan in the Bible and elsewhere. Hard to pin down.

Although my new question is, why so guarded?

@Graylight Guarded? Perhaps as gentle as a dove and as cautious as a serpent? I'm a Bible student. If I have a religious and educational background then I would read Ezekiel 18:4 and Matthew 10:28 which says the soul is mortal but interpret that, through the traditions of men, to mean that it is immortal. The men in this case being Greek, Aristotle and Plato, for example, teaching the immortal soul of Babylonian origin. Isn't that interesting?

Like Christmas and Easter. Easter from the pagan goddess of fertility Astarte. Her symbols were the rabbit and the egg. Fertility. You see? Nothing to do with Jesus. More to do with the golden calf. Like Paul said, at 2 Timothy 4:3-4. " For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."

@BibleData No, guarded. As in, chooses not to answer question. Don't obfuscate with flowery language.

What is your religious background? On what to you base your claims? I spent 16 years immersed in theology education. Not Bible study, not memorization - academic study. Either answer the questions asked of you relevant to the topics you post on or don't be surprised by the reactions you elicit.


For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
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@Graylight There's nothing surprising about your reaction. I've been doing this for twice as long as your alleged prestigious indoctrination. There are two types who use that reaction. The first I've already told you about. Those schooled in the traditions of men who misrepresent God in the manner Paul foretold. The second type are simply liars. Either way there's nothing you can say to impress me and nothing I can say to impress you.

I will only ask you this: was Christmas celebrations taking place long before Christ? Was Christmas accepted by early Christians en masse? Do the verses I pointed out say the soul can die or be destroyed?

You don't need flowery language or a vague unsubstantiated claim of a "theological education" to answer truthfully.

Not that it is relevant or any of your business, but I loath all religion and have never been a part of it. Your alleged education, to me, only substantiates the likelihood of your arrogant ignorance.

@BibleData You walk around speaking about Satan's influence. Believe me, I have nothing to prove here.

@BibleData You believe in Satan, but not God? Or you believe in God?

@Carazaa Of course I believe in God.

@BibleData That is wonderful to hear 🙏

@Carazaa Why is that wonderful to hear?