Christian’s…explain why the Holy Trinity is 3 Masculine deities

@BiblicalWarrior I believe what the Bible says about the trinity. The Trinity we are told in Scripture, consists of three persons, not 3 forms. Three identities: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three seperate persons, yet unified as One in agreement, make up the Godhead.

@LadyGrace The only difference between the three persons of God is the following (according to the Athanasian Creed, Statements 21 through 23):
The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

@helenS I don't go by the Athanasian Creed. I go strictly by the Word of God.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you, than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8

@LadyGrace Eastern Churches don't go by it either. I even think the Athanasian doctrine on the Holy Spirit (and of the Son, "filioque") was the theological reason for the Eastern Church to separate from Rome, but I'm not sure.
According to the teachings of the Catholic Church (which is where I come from), the Creeds are the Word of God, revealed to the Church by the Holy Spirit. The Bible is only one source of Divine Truth, the other is the Catholic tradition.

@helenS

I don't understand that Helen. And by the way I love your name, I have always loved that name. I had an Aunt Helen hahaha and I just thought that name was so beautiful. Wow. I still do.

Anyway, I don't understand, where you said the Bible is only one source of divine truth, the other is the Catholic tradition. I don't understand that because the Bible says there's only one truth and one way to heaven. I don't think we need to truths. And I don't understand some of the Catholic beliefs, because when I check them out against the Bible, I can't help but see the differences in Doctrine, instead of harmony with the Bible. Notice this scripture verse:

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you, than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8

What this verse says when it mentions "any other gospel", is that there is only one gospel, not two of them, or two doctrines. That also tells me according to God's word, there is only one truth, one way, and one life. Because I see that God didn't say that there was a way, a truth, or a life. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, and that "no man comes to the Father, but by Me."

I say this respectfully, that I see no place anywhere in the Bible that says we should pray to Mary or think of her as a deity. Yes, she was precious because she was Jesus's mother, but Jesus did not tell us to pray to Mary nor to pray the rosary. I also noticed in the book of Hebrews that said once that Jesus died on the cross, he became our high priest who forgives our sins and is our only mediator between God and man, not the priest. Hebrews says that priests were no longer needed to go to as our mediator between God and man, once that Jesus died on the cross. After that, Jesus became our Great High Priest there is only one], whom we go directly to and pray to, when we want our sins forgiven and washed away. Under the New Covenant, instead of the old laws, God said we need to pray directly to Jesus, to have our sins forgiven and then he goes to God the Father on our behalf, to plead forgiveness for us, which God the Father, is more than willing to do. Jesus said to come straight to him and pray directly to him, now, under the New Covenant and confess our sins to Jesus, not the priest, any longer. He showed us in the following verse.... I couldn't find a smaller one hahaha:

@LadyGrace As far as I can see, Catholics do not pray to Mary as a deity, and they do not worship her. The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that worship (or adoration) is meant for God alone. Catholics as well as the Orthodox and some older Protestant groups venerate Mary and the Saints.
There are some minor Catholic groups who see Mary as a "co-redemptrix", meaning that they believe Mary's contribution to salvation is essential for the redemption of humanity, mainly because she gave free consent to give life to the Redeemer. That title certainly causes confusion and does not reflect scripture. Pope Francis suggested the title not be used.

Thank you for your kind words about my name! 🌷
Actually my middle name is Margaret because my grandmother thought "Helen" is too pagan as name, and she insisted on a Christian middle name. So I'm Helen Margaret S. My sister's name is Mary. Mary and Margaret – could it have become more Christian? 😏

@helenS As a Catholic, I have never worshiped Mary. We used to pray to her as we did the saints as intermediaries of God. I personally never was into praying to saints or Mary or even Jesus. I thought why not go directly to God.

@BiblicalWarrior ok I definitely am going to need some answers on these next questions I ask. Not out the woods yet

@Heavenlywarrior What are your questions. I will do my best to answer them from the Bible.

@LadyGrace @BiblicalWarrior why is “Wisdom described as “Her” in Luke 7:35.

But wisdom is justified of all her children.

@Heavenlywarrior I am not sure if you are aware of this, but a lot of the New Testament is either referenced to or direct quotations from the Old Testament. You will find references to wisdom as a woman in Proverbs as well. The Apocryphal books were written during the intertestamental period between the conclusion of the OT book of Malachi and the beginning of the NT book of Matthew. And while there is some information in them of historical significance, they are not considered canonical, and certainly are not considered valid for formulating doctrine.
As far as your question, I am not sure why the Bible frequently personifies wisdom as a woman.

@BiblicalWarrior this is one of the most direct answers. Yes I do know that majority of the NT is quotes from the old. My personal belief is plagiarism to a degree… in the New Testament because some of it contradicts the Old Testament prophecies.

Yes it’s not part of the canon. I personally believe that it’s not because it doesn’t support the bullshit doctrine that we were taught. It actually sheds Light and a bigger picture of the overall truth. It actually makes sense.

@Heavenlywarrior The Apocrypha was excluded from the canon of Scripture because it does contradict the canon of Scripture, but your statement that what we have been taught from the canon of Scripture is BS is wrong. Right from the beginning the doctrine of the Trinity has been found in the canonical Scriptures, and was made even plainer in the New Testament. Perhaps the best NT example is at the Lord's baptism. Matthew Chapter 3: 16, 17. Here we plainly see that all 3 members of the trinity are present.

@BiblicalWarrior @Heavenlywarrior Christians do not believe the diety is in three "forms". They are 3 distinct people and scripture backs that up.

Heavenlywarrior: Knock it off. We're discussing here. Grow up. Stop calling doctrine bull****! Maybe it is to you, but have the decency to consider that you're not the only one in the world and that it is not to other people. And tell me.... What doctrine is that, exactly, that you were taught, that you think is a lie?

Old and New Testament do NOT contradict each other. If you say that you're calling God a liar, because it is His Holy Word that a perfect, sinless, incapable of sinning, God, gave us. To say otherwise is to blaspheme God's word and that is an unpardonable sin, so I would be very careful how you refer to God's Word. When you add one verse from one chapter and try to pair it with another or twist scripture around that's when man gets in trouble. God's Word is perfect but it is man who is trying to mess it up and fool with It. That means taking it out of context and then saying it contradicts something else. That doesn't work. You have to actually study the Word of God to know what it's talking about and consider the period of time when an event happened, what was going on at that time, and why things happened, before you can judge God's word and say it's contradictory because it isn't. It is man that is contradictory, stubborn, to the word of God. You just can't grab one scripture out of context and not even read nor study the whole chapter before and after that verse to get the real meaning of it.

@Heavenlywarrior I don't know why you're so hung up on gender, when that is not the emphasis of the Bible. The emphasis and main theme is God's Plan of Salvation and how to be saved from the condemnation sin placed on mankind. Worrying about gender phrases in the Bible and missing God's Plan of Salvation to save your own soul, would be a tragedy. It doesn't mean a hill of beans, compared to what God really wants us to know. He wants us to concentrate on how to be saved instead of nitpicking little things in the Bible. For what shall it profit man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul? That is the theme of the Bible. That's what he wants us to concentrate and get right so we can avoid missing heaven.

In respect to your question, when we read that Wisdom is a “she,” understand thatProverbsis heavily artistic; therefore, we are not reading a technical definition of wisdom.

Except for some personal pronouns, English does not use grammatical gender (classifying words as masculine, feminine, or neuter). However, the Hebrew language (in which Proverbs was written) does use grammatical gender, much like Spanish, French, and many other languages do. Herein, is our problem. “She,” as we understand it, is not necessarily “she” as it was intended in Hebrew.

Native English speakers are ambivalent concerning grammatical gender. We naturally think of the noungirlas feminine and the nounboyas masculine, so, when assigning pronouns to these words, we useshe/her/hersforgirlandhe/him/hisforboy. When we speak of a ship, which has no actual gender, we use neuter pronouns (it/its). Sometimes, even "she". However, these ships are often named after men (such as the U.S.S.Ronald Reagan). The name of the ship does not affect its gender. To compound matters, mariners usually refer to a ship in feminine terms:sheis a fine ship, headherinto port, etc. Gender is somewhat arbitrary in English usage, but this is not the case in many other languages.

@LadyGrace I thank you for that research and you are right it doesn’t matter regarding salvation.

But it matters when one begins to really think and compare the human bodies both male and female… becoming one… working in the spirit of Christ … this is God.

And creation happens when they have sex on the physical plane….

It’s after the way of God….masculine energy and feminine working tiger creating the world we live in…

Everything in the universe is about reproduction or intercourse between the two energies. We can take it to an atomic level this is why it makes so much sense to me.

@Heavenlywarrior It sounds like you are obsessed with this male, female relationship, sex, comparing human bodies, you insist on, though we are talking about God's Word. How about we stick to the subject and move on from this type dialogue. And no, as you say, not everything revolves in this world around reproduction and intercourse. I find your conversation very troubling and perverse. Those doesn't matter either, when it comes to Salvation. Please stick to the subject and refrain from obsessing about male and female interaction in future conversation.

@LadyGrace it’s very vital information for today. I’ll respect your request to not share that info with you.

@Heavenlywarrior What part of, this has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit being a male person of the Trinity, do you not understand? It looks like all you want to do is argue and you are definitely giving Vibes of being a troll so this conversation is closed.