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"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

1 John 3-24 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

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11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters,[b] if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.

19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
[quote]"Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child..."[/quote]

What about St Paul...?

"For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, [i]that[/i] I do."
— Romans 7:19
Carazaa · F
@Thinkerbell And King David too said that. We are all at war with our flesh until it is redeemed, like our soul. At least they felt bad and stopped, but there was a heavy price. Davids son I think died after he sinned with Basheba.
AveMaria · 31-35, M
@Carazaa "David therefore pleaded with God for the child; David fasted, and went in and lay all night on the ground. The elders of his house stood beside him, urging him to rise from the ground; but he would not, nor did he eat food with them. On the seventh day the child died. And the servants of David were afraid to tell him that the child was dead; for they said, “While the child was still alive, we spoke to him, and he did not listen to us; how then can we tell him the child is dead? He may do himself some harm.” But when David saw that his servants were whispering together, he perceived that the child was dead; and David said to his servants, “Is the child dead?” They said, “He is dead.”" 2 Samuel 12:16-19
AveMaria · 31-35, M
@Thinkerbell
This passage represents our weakness in fully obeying God's word, who can truly:
"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48) ?
"For what the flesh desires is opposed to the Spirit, and what the Spirit desires is opposed to the flesh; for these are opposed to each other, to prevent you from doing what you want." Galatians 5, 17

"I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. From now on there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will give me on that day, and not only to me but also to all who have longed for his appearing."
2 Timothy 4, 7-8


Saint Paul is an example of faithfulness and he suffered much too:

" I am now rejoicing in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am completing what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church." Colossians 1:24
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@AveMaria

Yes, and the fact is that David and Paul [i]did[/i] sin, so I don't understand how in 1 John, John can say, "Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child...". Did David and Paul stop being God's children while they were engaging in a particular sin, but were re-instated after they stopped that sin?
AveMaria · 31-35, M
@Thinkerbell It's not the mistakes, it's the complete abandonment of God by hating.
This is the same as children leaving their parents and never contacting them again.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@AveMaria

Well, then I think John should have made that clear.

And btw, didn't the father of the prodigal son go running out to meet his son when the the father saw the son yet at a great distance? He had no way of knowing at that point that the son was truly repentant, or just back to hit the old man up for some more money.
AveMaria · 31-35, M
@Thinkerbell
"This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you."
"I am giving you these commands so that you may love one another." Saint John 15, 12-14. 17
Maybe in these verses it's clearer.

The prodigal son was truly repentant because he left everything behind.
He went after women and a luxurious lifestyle, he came back as a poor man.
Also, the father is God and He knows the heart of every man
"The heart is devious above all else; it is perverse— who can understand it? I the Lord test the mind and search the heart, to give to all according to their ways, according to the fruit of their doings." Jeremiah 17, 9-10
jshm2 · 41-45, M
That's a mistranslation as to err is to be human. No one can go on with a sin or two in their lives.
Carazaa · F
@jshm2 But we do not continue to sin, we stop as soon as we know it is a sin.
AveMaria · 31-35, M
@jshm2 "Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13, 10
The word sin or wrong can be replaced with hate.
Truly that's the meaning it's when instead of love, that fulfills the law, we hate and therefore reject the law (which is also rejecting others and God)
Harris73 · M
Yes i agree if we are of God we will not sin, but if not we will sin therefore i am not of God so i sin

 
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