Do you know that Satan comes as an angel of LIGHT? Have you been deceived by him? Do you recognize when it is him?
The entire world is deceived! If you don't want the truth God will give you a lie ✨
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Beautifullyderanged · 36-40, F
Lucifer was an angel of light, that's what his name means. He was cast down by his creator, his father, God, for disobeying him, he was and still is God's creation. God created the devil by abandoning one of his creations for disobeying him. If he has taken the time to listen to Lucifer, to explain and to love his creation, the devil wouldn't exist.
ShadowSister · 46-50, F
@Beautifullyderanged Just for your own information, none of this actually comes from the Bible. The name Lucifer is the Latin translation of "Morning Star," a term that was applied to the king of Babylon in Isaiah 34:4. The verse reads,
[quote]How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations![/quote]
If you read the verse in its context, nothing in the passage suggests that it refers to a supernatural being, a fallen angel, or anything related to the Devil. Later Christian theologians associated the passage with Luke 10:18, where Jesus says he saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. But the context makes it clear that the passage is about an earthly king.
[quote]How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations![/quote]
If you read the verse in its context, nothing in the passage suggests that it refers to a supernatural being, a fallen angel, or anything related to the Devil. Later Christian theologians associated the passage with Luke 10:18, where Jesus says he saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. But the context makes it clear that the passage is about an earthly king.
Beautifullyderanged · 36-40, F
@ShadowSister interesting information thanks. I'm not religious so my question is why is lucifer used as a name for the devil when thats not what it was used for in the bible? I know lucifer means morningstar or lightbringer so why do people use it as the devils name?
ShadowSister · 46-50, F
@Beautifullyderanged The King James Version actually uses the name Lucifer to translate the verse. So someone who uses this translation may not dig into the original Hebrew to find out the real meaning of the passage. And the bit about being "cast down to earth" looks a lot like what Jesus said in Luke 10:18. I am not an expert on how the tradition developed as it did, but I assume it is just the joining together of the two verses and divorcing the Isaiah passage from the original context.
Wikipedia suggests that there were various Babylonian and Sumerian myths that speak of a god being hurled down by another god. So it appears that the Isaiah prophecy is drawing on existing Babylonian mythology and comparing the king of Babylon to the fallen god of their pantheon. I am just learning this part for the first time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
Wikipedia suggests that there were various Babylonian and Sumerian myths that speak of a god being hurled down by another god. So it appears that the Isaiah prophecy is drawing on existing Babylonian mythology and comparing the king of Babylon to the fallen god of their pantheon. I am just learning this part for the first time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
Carazaa · F
@ShadowSister
[b]Here are a few verses from the story about Satan in the Book of Job.[/b]
"6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD."
[b]Here are a few verses from the story about Satan in the Book of Job.[/b]
"6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD."
Carazaa · F
@Beautifullyderanged Jesus is the creator, and he will come soon with his 100 million angels and take us home to heaven if we love him. And he will judge the world, and throw Satan in the bottomless pit.
Beautifullyderanged · 36-40, F
@Carazaa where does it say Jesus is the creator? Wasnt he sent to Earth to spread the word of God and then die? Also Satan is already in Hell, where is this bottomless pit?
Carazaa · F
@Beautifullyderanged
Satan is roaming the earth for souls and is NOT in hell yet. Here is the creator passage, and below is the revelation passage. You'll have to ask God where the pit is.
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 [b]In the beginning was the Word,[/b] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 [b]Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.[/b] 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 [b]The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. [/b]We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:3
"The angel cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
Satan is roaming the earth for souls and is NOT in hell yet. Here is the creator passage, and below is the revelation passage. You'll have to ask God where the pit is.
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 [b]In the beginning was the Word,[/b] and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 [b]Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.[/b] 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 [b]The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. [/b]We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:3
"The angel cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."