Americans who believe in Jesus but support the death penalty, please explain this?

I know it's scary in your country because guns are legal and you need to discourage gun crime but I still don't understand. Jesus wouldn't be happy about the death penalty.

You are not supposed to judge someone till you've walked a mile in their shoes (I might not be quoting it exactly).

When I see New York and LA gangs, yes, it looks pretty scary. And you could move away from the city to be safe (but then your children might grow up insular and simple) or you could try to do better with education and making sure peoples living standards were better (now everyone knows Jesus would approve of this).

You have had the death penalty for years and years, BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL SHOOTING EACH OTHER WHICH SHOWS THE DEATH PENALTY IS NOT A DETERRENT!!

obviously non Christian people can like the death penalty but that means it's only about revenge and not justice.

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Seventeen

Actually, he said if anyone harms the head of a child it would be better for a millstone around their neck, and thrown into the depths of the sea.

So he too believed in capital punishment.

And the reason the death penalty is not a deterrent, is because it is rarely if ever, enforced. Most criminals realize they can be on a waiting list for a death penalty for 25 years before it even going into effect. Many dying from natural causes before even dying from a penalty of death.

Appeals etc. often delaying the effects of the legal process.

Take for instance the serial killer night stalker. He was sentenced to die but came nowhere close to dying under the actual death penalty laws. He instead died from natural causes awaiting a death sentence for 23 years. The death penalty is 95% equivalent to life in prison in the US. With maybe only 5% of deaths being carried out from an order of a judge speeding up the process.

There was a case where three gang leaders killed I believe it was a seven year old boy for his Halloween candy. They had been so used to the judicial system never doing anything that at their own trial they openly mocked the boy in front of the grieving mother, and made jokes and laughed about the way they killed him. This offended everyone at their trial, with showing no remorse and believing they were untouchable by the law. They were obviously found guilty and sentenced to death. And I believe it was nothing but deserving for such atrocities.

BiasForAction · M

@Seventeen oh my. Selectively choosing examples and ignoring the innocent who have been executed or freed after decades on death row. Whatever floats your boat. And your Jesus quote is not particularly strong either.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

@Seventeen

And the reason the death penalty is not a deterrent, is because it is rarely if ever, enforced.

1. Well it’s clearly not working, so it either needs to be retooled or eliminated. I’m open to suggestions but I don’t see how it can be retooled without eliminating the appeals process, thus trampling on people’s rights and executing more innocent people than we currently do.

2. Back in medieval Europe there was no appeals process and sentences were carried out very quickly. Methods of execution back then were much more creative and crueler, yet crime was still rampant.

Seventeen

@BiasForAction Actually I’ve given no examples of being selective. You are in fact the one being selective rather than objectively viewing my response within its intended context. While failing to give an example of any such selective thinking. And I answered the original posters question properly. They asked someone to explain the death penalty under a context of why people who believe in Jesus would support the death penalty and there are many scriptures that support this. But I chose to use one in which Jesus spoke himself. Something “weak” would be giving an example from a different religion or no actual contexts of scripture at all.

Within the contexts she asked for, in order for anything to be stronger you would have to give a stronger example. As in. “Now of you had said this…” and it was a strong example of the underlying contexts the original poster had asked. Then your claim could be substantiated.

And of course I did not give an argument of people falsely accused because no one believes in a death penalty of the falsely accused. I’m fact off you actually knew of the Bible’s origins and had bothered to study it. You would under that God references Jezebel, as someone he despised because she did this very thing. Gave false testament, in order to have people killed in court. Many different situations are discussed concerning this as well.

But the contexts for the death penalty are that some do deserve it. And forensic evidence is a science. With DNA being the biggest scientific tool we have. And I’m a strong believer in the family of the victims being the one that should choose the fate of the convicted. If it were up to me, instead of a judge deciding the terms. No one would feel cheated by someone getting death when they want life in prison. As one thinks that’s more torture for a person. And others feel cheated when a person is still breathing air, getting 3 square meals a day, experiencing reading and other hobbies off their tax dollars. And it just makes them feel like the system is against them rather than for them.

And also how dare you generalize the weight and burden of those who have suffered the loss of loved ones, simply because you’ve never even had the gravity of that situation in your life. Speak it to the mothers face that lost her little boy to three monsters that tortured and killed him. If you want to get your jollies off thinking your pseudo intelligence shows you thought of anyone other than your own selfish ego to stroke. Then you’re dead wrong, pun intended.

BiasForAction · M

@Seventeen You didn't select your examples to strengthen a particular point of view and ignore examples to the contrary? Of course you did.

Seventeen

@JP1119 it’s virtually the same as saying there is no solution then. And it was also a different era. They didn’t have forensic science. And judicial rulings were often under the law of he said she said.

But the fact we can implement sciences to our understandings yet people still shirk away from the death penalty to me simply speaks that no one has much faith in science either.

Seventeen

@BiasForAction again you speak words. As I claimed you already have. Without giving an example. Even after I bothered to take the time to explain everything.

Quit being a butthurt Charleston and actually give the example then. Instead of acting like you have a dick in your mouth that keeps you unable to speak on the matter. You’re pussyfooting around the subject saying there’s a clear flaw but never pointing out said flaw. Just continually being vague as if that will add means to your end, of wishing you were more intelligent than you actually are.

And again, speak to the mother of the dead child. In such a tone and manner. If you believe your cause to be so righteous.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

@Seventeen

it’s virtually the same as saying there is no solution then.

No, the death penalty is not the only possible solution. There could also be life in prison or, and this is what I would suggest, rehabilitation. Separate the convict from his community and make him complete a rite of passage at the end of which he would be given new information to help him succeed in society.

It’s not that we don’t have faith in science but that it’s not our place as humans to decide when someone has done something so bad that they shouldn’t live anymore. The question of when someone dies should be left up to God alone. Also, forensics can’t solve every murder not because science is imperfect but because it just can’t completely recreate the whole scene.

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