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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
There are people throughout history that little was known of their personal life. In ancient Greece it is rumored that all three famous philosophers (Socrates, Plato and Aristotle) were pedophiles. No one knows for certain, however there are some unrecognized instances...
Yet notice that even AI gives them an out in the highlighted area.
There’s no reliable historical evidence to support the claim that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle were pedophiles. Here are the key points grounded in scholarship and primary sources:
Socrates: Ancient sources (Plato, Xenophon, Aristophanes) discuss his philosophical method, moral views, and relationships with younger men as part of the classical Greek practice of paiderastia—a socially structured educational and mentorship relationship between adult men and adolescent boys. Modern historians emphasize that pederastic practices in classical Athens were culturally specific and not equivalent to modern definitions of sexual abuse; accusations of sexual misconduct against Socrates in the trial-era sources concern moral corruption and impiety rather than documented criminal sexual behavior.
Plato: Plato’s dialogues present philosophical treatments of love, desire, and the mentor-student relationship (most famously in the Symposium). Plato often treats love between men and younger males as a possible spur to ethical and intellectual development, but his texts are philosophical dialogues, not biographies; they cannot be read straightforwardly as evidence of his personal sexual conduct. Many scholars also argue that Plato’s later writings move toward a more spiritualized, non-physical ideal of love.
Aristotle: Aristotle’s surviving works are practical and philosophical treatises (ethics, politics, biology) with little autobiographical detail. There is no reliable primary-source evidence documenting his private sexual life. Later anecdotes (often centuries later) are generally considered of low credibility.
Important context:
Ancient Greek social norms about age, gender, and sexual relations differ greatly from modern norms; terminology and practices don’t map cleanly onto contemporary categories like “pedophilia.”
Biographical detail for all three is sparse and often mediated by followers or opponents who had intellectual or political motives; assertions about private sexual behavior are typically speculative and not well supported by primary sources.
Scholarly consensus treats claims about such specific sexual allegations as unproven unless supported by trustworthy contemporaneous evidence.
Socrates: Ancient sources (Plato, Xenophon, Aristophanes) discuss his philosophical method, moral views, and relationships with younger men as part of the classical Greek practice of paiderastia—a socially structured educational and mentorship relationship between adult men and adolescent boys. Modern historians emphasize that pederastic practices in classical Athens were culturally specific and not equivalent to modern definitions of sexual abuse; accusations of sexual misconduct against Socrates in the trial-era sources concern moral corruption and impiety rather than documented criminal sexual behavior.
Plato: Plato’s dialogues present philosophical treatments of love, desire, and the mentor-student relationship (most famously in the Symposium). Plato often treats love between men and younger males as a possible spur to ethical and intellectual development, but his texts are philosophical dialogues, not biographies; they cannot be read straightforwardly as evidence of his personal sexual conduct. Many scholars also argue that Plato’s later writings move toward a more spiritualized, non-physical ideal of love.
Aristotle: Aristotle’s surviving works are practical and philosophical treatises (ethics, politics, biology) with little autobiographical detail. There is no reliable primary-source evidence documenting his private sexual life. Later anecdotes (often centuries later) are generally considered of low credibility.
Important context:
Ancient Greek social norms about age, gender, and sexual relations differ greatly from modern norms; terminology and practices don’t map cleanly onto contemporary categories like “pedophilia.”
Biographical detail for all three is sparse and often mediated by followers or opponents who had intellectual or political motives; assertions about private sexual behavior are typically speculative and not well supported by primary sources.
Scholarly consensus treats claims about such specific sexual allegations as unproven unless supported by trustworthy contemporaneous evidence.
Yet notice that even AI gives them an out in the highlighted area.
dragonfly46 · F
@DeWayfarer Very interesting. I do know in ancient Greece it was a cultural norm for a much older gentleman to take a young boy under his tutelage. To teach him about life and sex. What we now consider abhorrant now was accepted and encouraged then.



