Do you believe Amber Heard?

@Notladylike can only make assumptions because there was not one shred of evidence to prove he was abusive, unless you count him banging some cupboards and joking with his mate on text messages about killing her.. But what person who is being abused, does not think of hurting their abuser?

@Torsten yeah I do agree with you. And if he wasn’t famous I wouldn’t question.
If you don’t think texts joking about raping her dead body are part of a toxic relationship system then that does surprise me.
Remember we are talking about a pretty wealthy rich powerful white man here. I’m not saying he can’t be abused he clearly was abused by her.
I’m just saying I find it hard to believe he was as helpless as he has made out.

@Notladylike the relationship was clearly toxic, she was violent towards him and was a abuser to him. Him joking with a friend is nothing.
I dont think he was helpless at all, I think he just loved her and tried to get away from her as in go to another room instead of deal with her and him doing that made her even worse.
If he hurt her in any real way, she would have used that in court. She took photos and videos of so much except any actual abuse towards her. That says it all really.
He also provided the court with her admitting abuse towards him and hospital records of a injury he sustained due to her.
I think the case is pretty clear cut, but thats just me i guess

@Torsten Yes you are right about that. In the context of a horrible relationship yes I see what you are saying that he may have been venting. I just don’t buy it from him in particular though for some reason.

@Notladylike thats fair. Both seem like they have their many issues. His being drugs and alcohol and well hers has already been pointed out.
I think he got screwed over for years by everyone and losing his career because he was being abused and the world was made to believe he was the abuser. I guess i have sympathy for him due to that

@Torsten Yes I do as well. I’m a huge fan and can’t stand her at all. He’s life will never be the same.

@Notladylike yeah thats it. I heard she only had to pay him a million dollars and he actually gave it all to charity.. Not like her declaring to give to charity but actually doing it lol