The non physical evidence is that “something can not come from nothing”
That is true until you can show evidence that it is not. You need to prove something can break your own rule. You can’t. You can only make an unsupported claim.
The evidence you need cannot be physically shown to exist.
After we are agreed on the concept of evidence, then we can apply it to God, to prove by evidence present or absent, that He exists or doesn't exist.
I’ve already stated my concept of evidence. You refuse to acknowledge it because I used you own argument as a prime example. You want to discuss the concept of evidence, then use your nature god as an example. Skip the straw man
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Aren't you going to resume our dialogue on what is evidence?
Here, I will add that man suspects what is the target of his evidence, for example - the target of his evidence is a human and not something non-human.
Imagine this scenario:
An explorer landed on an island he knew to be un-inhabited, because there has never been any report by earlier explorers of an island in that geographical location. He says to himself, "If any human had already been on the island, then he certainly could have left anywhere on the island some man-made objects no longer useful to bring back home." Then he came upon a pair of broken eye-glasses. There, the pair of broken eye-glasses is evidence to the presence earlier of a human on the island.
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
We are not getting linked.
I am talking about evidence, without bringing in God for the present.
You keep on and on bringing in God, and there is no evidence for Him according to you.
Can you understand that there has got to be a concept of evidence that applies to every issue where evidence is invoked to prove something exist or not.
After we are agreed on the concept of evidence, then we can apply it to God, to prove by evidence present or absent, that He exists or doesn't exist.
That is why the issue cannot be settled with finality, because theists and atheists don't care to agree on the concept of evidence and how it works.
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yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
We are not getting linked.
I am talking about evidence, without bringing in God for the present.
You keep on and on bringing in God, and there is no evidence for Him according to you.
Can you understand that there has got to be a concept of evidence that applies to every issue where evidence is invoked to prove something exist or not.
After we are agreed on the concept of evidence, then we can apply it to God, to prove by evidence present or absent, that He exists or doesn't exist.
That is why the issue cannot be settled with finality, because theists and atheists don't care to agree on the concept of evidence and how it works.
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DocSavage · M
You seem to be having trouble remembering what was asked, so I’m including the last few threads with each new one.
Do you agree with me that evidence works because there is a connection between the evidence and the target of the evidence? For example, eye-glasses and man, for only man use eye-glasses, no other living things use made by man eye-glasses
I live in Chicago. Around 100 years ago, one of the most famous trials in America, was centered on a pair of eyeglasses found on the ground.
No one ever questioned the fact that they were man made, or someone was at that place, and left them behind.
Suppose the person didn’t ware glasses. Does the fact he has 20/20 mean no one was there ?
M
So, now you want us to prove to you that humans exist too ?
When did anyone here claim that they didn’t ?
Bullshit
The target of the evidence is not Glasses-human
The target of the evidence is existence- god
Existence does not lead to the conclusion
God the permanent self-existent creator and operator of all things not Himself. -Yrger
You can skip the straw man, I’m not biting .
M
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