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[Biology] Should there be more than five senses?

We all know the common ones of course:
[center] Sight,
Sound,
Touch,
Taste and arguably
Smell.
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Why do we not have more than these? Yes I know Aristotle, more than 2.5 thousand years ago! 😒

Yet I have just given thought to our sense of balance and looking further others have given mention to our sense of pain and internal pressure as opposed to external pressure. Then there is the sense of cold and heat. And senses such as kinesthesia or body movements.

Now it's been argued that these are a combination of other senses. Yet you can't make that argument for sense of balance.

Hearing and balancing are not related. Deaf people from birth often have a good sense of balance because it's separate.

So shouldn't that be a different sense? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Reference material links:

https://nautil.us/we-should-count-balance-as-one-of-the-senses-236480/

https://med.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Anatomy_and_Physiology/Human_Anatomy_(Lange_et_al.)/13%3A_Somatic_Senses_Integration_and_Motor_Responses/13.02%3A_SensoryModalitiesandGeneralSenses
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sascha · F
There are. If you were going to write them all down, you would have a number much greater than five.

I prefer to say there is only one sense, or perhaps two. We can sense what is happening to us, and what is happening around us. All the senses are born from our cells, and like computers, they will process and respond to information. They live in the same house and are related to one another.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sascha like saying blood is a sense. Or your finger nails are a sense. We distinguish things for a reason.

Each and every sense is actually different from the other even over the sensitivity in each person. Hense those that hear better or are more sensitive to light. Or better vision acuity either distance or close up. One person may see better, while another may hear better. Or not see or hear at all. Blind and deaf people are a example. Yet they can still feel their way around.

And there actually other senses in animals that we just don't have any comparisons. Echo location in dolphins or bats is a sense for them because they perceive it differently. It's neither a sense of hearing nor a sense of touch.

You say "all our senses are born from the cells", yet each cell is actually slightly different. Even our DNA in cells slightly vary. Why we are not clones of each other.

The portion of the brain maybe close together, yet each sense is processed in a slightly different area of the brain. This applies to even animals. They believe it's the same for even insects. Though that is impossible to determine.

There are even delay factors because of timing. I once posted about this about a year ago regarding our "sense of timing". Even time, by our bodies, is not the same. Why some perceive time faster or slower.

Yes, some senses may be thought as a combination of senses. Yet the way it's processed matters highly. Grouping the processes makes even more sense because the outcome is perceived differently. You do not perceive seeing the same as hearing because they are different portions of the brain. And even the timing is perceived differently.

There's a slightly delay in perceptions depending on locations of where it's being processed.

Sense of touch is more delayed at your feet than at your face. Even the nerve impulses are subject to the physics of location, as small as it might seem. The brain still has to process the signals of the various combinations of signals. So you say "ahha I see this or hear that" as a different sense.

Whales actually determine an obects distance just by the different locations felt on their bodies. A form of triangular location. And so you have a different sense. A sense of location objects around them.

Then there is sense of location of magnetic poles in animals that migrate. We have no comparisons for that. It's not even apart of us.
sascha · F
@DeWayfarer The question is: "should there be more than five senses", and I responded with "there are."

How our senses may differ, and how our cells may differ, is another question. Our senses and our cells can be different while coming from the same place, our body. Our cells receive information, and this information is what informs the senses. We sense what is inside us or happening to us, and what is surrounding us, what we can see on the outside. All of us are different, but the mechanism is the same. We all need the same.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sascha my point above is each sense is dependent on the location of the brain being processed. Cells are totally dependent on the DNA which is different in each cell.

I have below mention that "the five senses" are being pushed in everything still. It's not a matter of that there are more senses. Yet why are we not including more in every day life?

We limit ourselves by insisting on only five in every day life.
sascha · F
@DeWayfarer Cells can vary more greatly and be less predictable in the brain and immune system. They still have the same genetic information, although mature red, not white, blood cells lose their DNA. Changes are mutations, and they will not be passed on to the offspring. The DNA you had from conception is still the canvas. Its functions are different in each part of the body, but they all belong to us, having our information stored.

Do we need to refer to any sense in everyday life? It lacks any meaningful use. People only refer to "five senses" for a reason. We can communicate what we need to.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sascha I must disagree with this statement... [quote]Changes are mutations, and they will not be passed on to the offspring.
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Parts of virus DNA have been passed on to offspring:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/virus-genes-human-dna-may-surprisingly-help-us-fight-infections-180958276/

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/endogenous-retroviruses/

That's a genetic mutation at is passed on to even today's children! This is at the cellular level! What effects the cells as well effects the sperm and ovum. It's not exclusive!

And why our children will likely be immune to some forms of covid in the far future. The cellular DNA mutation effects everything else!

[quote]Do we need to refer to any sense in everyday life? It lacks any meaningful use. People only refer to "five senses" for a reason. We can communicate what we need to.
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The more we learn the more terminology that we must use. So yes there is a even greater need than ever before to be even more specific. And not be regressive.

Just living in today's society requires more terminology than ever before! There is simply no equivalents in languages as little as 100 years ago.

We would appear as either gods or insane just by our numerous different terms. How would you explain by words only the term "Internet" to someone from 100 years ago? Impossible!

Yet when religion started to combine the definitions of words to confuse the issues they regressed the whole world.

Like with ancient greek there was eight, now nine, forms of love.

So to confuse the issue, religion specified only one word for love. Therefore forcing the issue that god is love.

This is simply not true by Greek definitions with eight different versions of love!

Likewise there needs to be more senses. Not less!

I must stress if we didn't pass on these DNA changes we would be all clones! And evolution would be impossible for any living thing! Not just us!

Now please don't tell me you don't believe in evolution!

If you don't then you don't believe in any form of science. And even Aristotle, with his five senses, is out the door. Because he was a homosexual Greek that took many of his own ideas from Pythagoras! Plus his own mentors, Plato and Socrates, heavily influenced those same eight Greek forms of love. All three were atheists!

BTW sense of the magnetic poles requires accumulation of a certain type of material through the DNA. We don't have that ability in our DNA! Therefore it's through DNA again that certain animals migrate at all with their unique "sense" of direction. Again a genetic mutation that was passed on!
sascha · F
@DeWayfarer As the articles say, those mutations have infiltrated the egg and sperm, thus becoming an intrinsic part of our genes. They are considered hereditary. If this doesn't happen, the mutation will never be passed on. Artificial changes remain artificial, only affecting you, if they do not embed in your canvas, to be inherited by your children.

It's interesting how cells can be exchanged between a mother and baby.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sascha yet the same virus infiltrates our cells in our bodies. Why vaccines work! Also why this mRNA vaccine will likely effect both cells and DNA of sperm and ovum.

Why do you think they didn't want pregnant women to get the vaccine until they could prove it's ok? 🤷🏻‍♂️

They just proved it's ok this month for mRNA COVID vaccines.

Now they are working on cloning from cells from animals. Mostly extinct species. The DNA is in the cells! Sperm is not even needed though appropriate ovum is needed. Soon enough it will be without both sperm and ovum! Pure cloning!

Correction they have! Not even extinct animals...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vTmVpzAnpxo

Yet they have done extinct animals...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jElDCOFhOhI
sascha · F
@DeWayfarer Vaccines are meant to instruct the body. The mRNA vaccine is not likely to affect our genetic information, as it only comes from a very small copy of DNA, and doesn't reach or enter the nucleus.

How a person responds to covid or the vaccine, and any changes occurring after this, can be related to our genes. However, the immune system is unpredictable.

[quote]Why do you think they didn't want pregnant women to get the vaccine until they could prove it's ok?[/quote]

Potential adverse effects?

Where I live, the covid vaccine has been approved for pregnant women for some time. Antibodies are transferred to a baby through the placenta. They aren't inheriting changes to our DNA from the vaccine.

Cloning is an artificial process, not a natural one. We can't underestimate the power of the human brain.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sascha they just now proved it here! Yet no where on this world was any covid vaccine approved for pregnant women in 2020! There simply wasn't any proof then that it wouldn't effect DNA of the babies!
sascha · F
@DeWayfarer With mRNA being what it is, did they need any proof? The questions were: will the baby become infected with the virus from the vaccine? How will the pregnant woman respond?

Some places offered the vaccine to pregnant health workers in late 2020. For other pregnant women, it was early to mid 2021.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sascha yes because it wasn't approved ANYWHERE for pregnant women! It was all new theoretical research then. A theory! Theories are worth a penny a dozen. Like the theory of multiple universes. No proof though.

BTW they did need some cases to prove anything! It still wasn't approved for ALL pregnant women. Because there was no proof! You must have something to prove anything. Show the existence of a second universe when you only know of one? The math only makes it theoretically possible. And it's out the door if it's proven wrong only once.

The theory of mRNA needed the resulting proof one way or the other in 2020 with results or no results. Before that the research was even banned in certain countries as monkeying with DNA.