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God was never necessary to explaining how creation and eternal existence is possible. Nature is all it takes. I look forward to a time when the world shares this view and has gained a common purpose. 😃
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Pretzel · 70-79, M
Hate to play devils advocate but how did nature come about.and how did matter come together prior to the big bang.

And what made physics work the way it did?

Not arguing...just as many questions as there are answers.

My biggest question is what I am having for supper tonight.
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@Pretzel Nature always was, is and shall be.
Ynotisay · M
@Pretzel Those are questions that can be answered, to the best of our ability, scientifically. The basis of it is abiogenesis. Molecules that were delivered to earth from space that combined and mutated. Mutations are a constant in life and we don't always know why or how they happen. But to apply the answer to a man made convention, gods and religion, is, IMO, remarkably silly.
Life on earth, according to scientific estimates, began 3.5 BILLION years ago. The earth itself is 4.5 Billion years old. I'm not sure a lot of people can wrap their heads around how long that is. Humans have only been around for about 300,000 years. That's less than 0.01% of how long the earth has been in existence.
There's many thousands of gods and they've all been created, by humans, very recently. There's a lot of psychological reasons people believe in gods but that's entirely separate from any conversation about the formation of life.
I think if humans dropped the arrogance and fear, and accepted the FACT that they're animals that are constantly mutating, all the fables would be seen as that. Fables. Not fact. And it would make humanity SO much better.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@Pretzel Just because there are questions, it doesn't mean you have to fall back on the supernatural as an explanation. I know you are not really arguing though.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@JimboSaturn I'm not doing supernatural.
What was before the big bang?
I don't have a vested interest in the outcome.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@Ynotisay still not making a god argument. Just asking why physics makes things fall down and not sideways.
Ynotisay · M
@Pretzel I hear you. But I think it's important to remember the universe is 14 billion years old. Earth is "only" 4.5 billion years old. Life, in the form of random molecules combining, is 3.5 billion years old.
So maybe just recognizing the mind-boggling amount of time around this, and the fact the cell mutations are a constant in life form, can explain some of the total randomness of life as we know we it. But because one specific species of mammals have advanced cognition, which was also a totally random occurrence that took place over a few hundred million years, many feel the need to apply a supernatural component. I think it's because the time is too great for people to wrap their heads around. There's a lot of reasons for religion but none of them have anything to do with the evolution of our planet, life and, specifically, mammals.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@Ynotisay nah. Never stop inquiring. Never be complacent
Ynotisay · M
@Pretzel Yeah. About some things. I've stopped inquiring if the earth is flat. I think that's a good decision.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@Ynotisay okay, we've beat the conversation into the ground.