Why Israiel's Peace Treaty and The Rapture Are Imminent
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The Rapture is imminent. What do you think the purpose of the tribulation period is for? Jesus promised in 1st Thessalonians that He would save all around the world, who have accepted Christ as Savior, from the "wrath to come", which is nothing but the tribulation period, and the rising of the Antichrist.
False teachers claim that we are in the tribulation period right now, but that is not true. The tribulation period, according to scripture, does not start until the Antichrist signs a peace treaty with Israel, in the future. Another reason that theory is wrong, is because if we were in the tribulation period, we would also know who the Antichrist is and he doesn't reveal himself until later.
One of the end-time prophecies described by the Prophet Daniel, is the unveiling of the deceptive peace treaty that the Antichrist will force Israel to sign. The treaty will promise calm, but after three and a half years, the Man of Lawlessness [the Antichrist] will use it as a pretext to invade israel. The prophet Isaiah warned that this treaty will be grounded in a lie and will guarantee war, because it is a covenant with death:
"We have made a covenant with death. And with Sheol, we are in agreement...for we have made lies, our refuge. And under falsehood, we have hidden ourselves." Isaiah 28:15
The goal of the Antichrist armies will be to capture Jerusalem and establish an antichrist presence in the restored Third Temple on the Temple Mount. The Lord Jesus Christ warned of this, when He spoke of the 'Abomination of Desolation' standing in the holy place at the Temple. Daniel said that right in the middle of the 7-year tribulation period, the Antichrist will capture the Third Temple and end sacrifices. Daniel 9:27 That will start a war, and at the same time, usher in the rapture, because the rapture starts, when the tribulation period first starts, then all God's redeemed shall be removed from this earth, just as God promised.
If no rapture had occured, then we would not have Christ appointing 144,000 Jewish evangelists to take the raptured Church's place. These evangelists come from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, and are given the specific role of witnessing to everyone that was left behind after the Rapture occured. They will go through the tribulation period. The 144,000 shall witness to these people about the gospel of Christ and salvation during that time.
Jesus explained the rapture in the verse, showing that those who hated, laughed, cursed, and mocked God, shall be left behind to go through the tribulation period. Look at the following verse.....mockers were left behind at the rapture. They will see that God will not be mocked. Galatians 6:7-8
"Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken (the Believer) and the other left behind. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming."
– Matthew 24:40-42
This is why I say the Bible, given under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to none other than holy men of old, is more up-to-date than tomorrow's newspaper. It gives the greatest detail of future events that only God could know, and He gave this wisdom to His prophets of old. This is also why we can claim and confirm God's Word to be Holy. It is inspired by the Holy Spirit:
2 Timothy 3:6 -17: ALL scripture is given by the inspiration of God..."
God didn't entrust nor hand down His sacred Word to just anyone:
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I have listened to both sides of the rapture doctrine for as long as I can remember. I agree with the Apostle Paul’s understanding as explained in 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Paul correctly believed that the second coming could happen at any time and even believed it could possibly happen in his lifetime. It seems obvious that he didn’t believe in a pre second coming rapture, because he referenced the church in the first person 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.. In studying history I find the pre-tribulation rapture theology was not introduced until in the 1800s
@GJOFJ3 Some ministers who believe in the rapture, have a different take on what Paul said as well, given who he was talking to and all. Thanks for your input. I don't agree.
@GJOFJ3 Well there is no two second comings for one thing. People are mixing up the rapture with the second coming and they're not the same event, nor do they take place at the same time, that is very evident. There's a huge difference between the Rapture and the second coming. And although the word rapture was not used, the Rapture event and the Second Coming are completely different and here's how. And there has to be a Rapture by the way, because in 1st Thessalonians, Jesus said he would save the church from the wrath to come. How could there be a second coming where Jesus takes everybody to heaven, yet leaves everybody else behind? That doesn't even happen in the second coming, if you read scripture. The whole purpose of the rapture, is to take the church out of this age so that they do not have to suffer the tribulation, as he PROMISED to do. In the rapture, Christ comes in the clouds and it states very clearly, thst He does NOT set foot on this earth. WE are carried away and changed in the twinkling of an eye into our spiritual bodies and scripture says that we meet him in the air!! That is nothing less than the rapture and here's why. In His last and Second Coming, Christ brings back WITH HIM, an army from heaven, and His feet DO touch the earth this time, and they conquer Isael's enemies and all evil and destroy them.
Read the Bible verse that says two shall be in the field, one shall be taken and the other left behind! What is that except the rapture?
"Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken (the Believer) and the other left behind. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming."
– Matthew 24:40-42
It gives two examples of that. The believer in Christ is protected and saved just as Jesus promised he would do and the Church is taken away in the Rapture to meet him in the air where he takes them to heaven. There's plenty of scripture to back that up. But in his final and last second coming, Christ does not meet anybody in the air. He sets foot on the ground and does battle at the battle of Armageddon.
@LadyGrace Jesus clearly says he is talking about his second coming in the Matthew scripture you referred to [b][37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, [39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come./b] He repeats it 3 times
@GJOFJ3 As it will be LIKE those days of Noah, when they were just carefree and not paying attention, that the days when God snatches away the Church can be likened unto them. The Bible is very clear that there will be a snatching away of the Church, so how do we explain that? The rapture is not a theory at all, because God is the one that placed it in the scriptures. And you can see the distinct difference between the Rapture and the second coming. We we just can't explain those away, because we don't understand them. Jesus distinctly said that he would save Believers from the "Wrath to come" and what is that but the tribulation period and the battle of Armageddon? It doesn't get worse than that and how do you explain away the two differences between the Rapture and the second coming? Even Billy Graham and some of the most respected ministers, preached about the rapture. It didn't originate in 1800s. God had already put it in His Word.
In 1 Thess. 4:13–18, the Apostle Paul gives a graphic portrayal of the sequence of events at the rapture. At the return of Christ there is the resurrection of the dead, the rapture of the living, the reunion with the Lord and our loved ones in the air, followed by Paul’s blessed reassurance, And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words, (1 Thess. 4:17b–18). Were believers destined to endure the Tribulation, Paul should have said, Wherefore scare ye one another with these words. Instead, he assures the Thessalonians again, as he has done earlier, that God has not appointed them unto the wrath of the Tribulation but unto salvation (1 Thess. 5:9, 1:10 ; cf. Romans 5:9).
Perhaps the best proof text for the pre-tribulational rapture position is found in Revelation 3:10: Because thou has kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. It should be noted that the church is not promised protection in or during the hour of trial, but protection out of it. While the Tribulation saints are NOT promised exemption from suffering (Rev. 6:9–11; 7:9–14; 14:1–3; 15:1–3).
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, [39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come./b]
Nothing says those are NOT talking about the rapture. The term "coming of the Son of man" doesn't necessarily mean or say Christ's Second Coming, either, because the rest definitely describes the rapture as you can see in those verses I gave you where one is taken and the other Left Behind to go through the tribulation. Nowhere in scripture does it talk about when Jesus comes back in the second coming, that he leaves people behind. Nowhere. Instead, he says all the enemies are destroyed and not taken anywhere. They are dead. So that cannot describe His second coming.
@LadyGrace I think it takes some logic gymnastics to say Jesus saying “the coming of the Son of man” doesn’t mean He is referencing His coming but I’ll leave that rewrite to you. More importantly it seems clear to me that the dead in Christ will rise first before any living will be taken and the resurrection of the saved can only take place at Christ’s triumphant return. The only thing that is important is that we are among the redeemed whether living or dead.
I think it takes some logic gymnastics to say Jesus saying “the coming of the Son of man” doesn’t mean He is referencing His coming but I’ll leave that rewrite to you. More importantly it seems clear to me that the dead in Christ will rise first before any living will be taken and the resurrection of the saved can only take place at Christ’s triumphant return. The only thing that is important is that we are among the redeemed whether living or dead.
Not really. I'm just saying you try to use that term "Son of man" to prove the difference between the rapture and Second coming. We already know that it was Jesus that comes in both the Rapture and the second coming.
Further, you keep bringing up the point that the dead in Christ will rise first and I have never disputed that. Yes they will. THEN, scripture says, that those who REMAIN and are still alive then, shall FOLLOW THEM to meet the Lord in the air. Read that scripture again.
At the rapture, Jesus comes as a thief in the night. Silently! at the rapture, only those raptured are aware that it is taking place! None of the others will see Jesus like they do in the SECOND COMING.
When he comes in the Rapture the Bible says he's coming as a thief in the night! Silently. That means nobody knows that He came, but those that are being raptured, because they, are the only ones that will hear that trumpet sound that will come before they're raptured. But at the SECOND COMING, scripture says EVERYONE hears the trumpet sound and scripture says then you will see Him coming in the clouds from heaven and He then sets foot on the Earth and participates in the Battle of Armageddon! so as you can see, the Rapture and the second coming are not the same.
@GJOFJ3 yes that's okay but we do need to get our scripture straight. There's no way that the Rapture is the same as the second coming and scripture proves that.
@GJOFJ3 As I do you, as well, and I sincerely mean that, but I ask you to please take into consideration that the Bible mentions on two occasions, that just one of the persons who were working side by side before the Lord came that day, was snatched away from the earth, to meet Jesus in the air....while the other one is left behind. That scripture cannot be talking about the Second Coming, because those people who were left behind, had to face the tribulation period... then later, scripture says they came to accept Jesus during the tribulation period. They were not taken in the air, NOR were they resurrected ALONG WITH those dead believers, who were resurrected from the dead. The bible says the Christian's who had died were raised FIRST, then the still living believers followed next, then met the Lord in the air:
1 Thessalonians 4:16 - "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we, which are aliveandremain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Notice that at Jesus' Second Coming, we don't meet Jesus in the air. The Bible distinctly mark's that event as the time when the trumpet announces Jesus coming as the Victor, as He sets foot on earth with His heavenly army and defeats all evil and the Antichrist, Satan, and his evil army.
Those people that were saved DURING the tribulation period... are obviously not the same Christians that were raptured from the earth and "changed in the twinkling of an eye", then met Jesus in the air, because Scripture says the 144,000 Jewish witnesses evangelized during that time of tribulation, and those that were saved out of that tribulation period, faced death from the Beast, as he hates Christians and he slaughters them. They're dead. They don't go to meet Jesus in the air. Those two seperate events do not occur in the same timeline.
@GJOFJ3 I have to say yes, because of this which I mention in the following post: https://similarworlds.com/christianity/lord-savior-jesus-christ/4804076-The-Difference-Between-the-Raptured-Believers-and-the
@GJOFJ3 No, no, no. Read the differences between Christ coming at the rapture and the purpose of His mission during His Second coming. He doesn't rapture people out at the Second coming.
@LadyGrace I read that. It VERY clearly states that this is the loudly announced triumphant return of Jesus. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
@GJOFJ3 honey it does not because the Rapture comes before the tribulation and his second coming comes at the very last. Jesus said he would save us from the Wrath to come, the tribulation. That was the whole purpose of the tribulation era to come. God said he will protect his people from the Antichrist.
@GJOFJ3 if the Rapture and the second coming were the same event, then Jesus would not have had to send 144,000 Jewish evangelists to share the gospel of Christ to those in the tribulation period. We Christians would have served that purpose, but we're not here during that time. We are raptured out and changed in the twinkling of an eye and taken to heaven.
@LadyGrace It states 3 things unequivocally : 1) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God 2) the dead in Christ shall rise first: 3) then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
@GJOFJ3 well I doubt that Paul at the time knew that that was referred to as the rapture but that is what God gave him and there's really no way that he would have known that it referred to the rapture because he didn't have what we have today, God's word, which clearly shows the difference between the Rapture and the second coming.
@LadyGrace 1 Thes. 4:15 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep
