What if Claud is anxious?

@DealingWithTrouble Can you prove that you, or anyone else, is not also a math formula?

@ninalanyon we know exsctly which math formulas AI is run on. If you want to make the same claim about human brains you need to have a testable theory about what math fomula is being used, or you're just spouting nonsense.

@DealingWithTrouble I take it that you have a testable theory about human brains then? I wasn't claiming anything merely questioning.

@ninalanyon I wasn't suggesting human brains were simply math formulas.

@DealingWithTrouble No but you were suggesting that they are not. And neither was I suggesting that they are. I was trying to suggest that the usually unconsidered assumption that we are not machines should be considered rather than assumed.

@ninalanyon you're trying to assume something and ask someone to disprove it.

@DealingWithTrouble Quite the opposite. I'm trying to not assume either position and asking that anyone contrasting supposed machine intelligence with human intelligence should simply provide some arguments on both sides.

@ninalanyon I think you misunderstood what i said. We know for certain AI is not conscious, its entirely just a statistical formula. We know what it is. Pretending its anything else is just an error.

@DealingWithTrouble Yes we know that it is statistical. No, this does not prove that it is not conscious; for it to be such a proof we would at minimum need to agree on a definition of consciousness. There is no universally agreed definition of what counts as conscious. There is also no proof that we are not also statistical machines.

@ninalanyon "there is no proof we are not..." is not the same as "we know for a fact exactly how this computer program works".

There is no wiggle room with AI. We know exactly how it functions, and statistics is not magic where "consciousness" can sneak in.

@DealingWithTrouble Why is your consciousness in quotes. Is that because you don't have a definition for it?

@ninalanyon unless you go backwards defining "consciousness" as "a predictable statistical mathematical formula", AI isnt conscious.