I have noticed that the majority of people in here who claim to be atheists are not really atheists.

@TheOrionbeltseeker What are you talking about?

@TheOrionbeltseeker [quote]Atheism is a cult of unreasoning because it is blindfold to the mystic creation[/quote]
That's oxymoronic.

@Sharon Either you would call it Luck or survival of the number 1 out of six numbers or the evolution of the game from many numbers to just 1.

@TheOrionbeltseeker Call [i]what[/i] luck? I still don’t know what you’re talking about.

Please explain your topic.

Is it abiogenesis? Is it perhaps cosmology?

If so, what does either of them have to do with atheism?

@TheOrionbeltseeker I'd call it random chance.

Believing in something without reason is unreasoning by definition. Reasoning is not believing in things for which there is no evidence.

@TheOrionbeltseeker Please explain your topic

@Sharon Random chance of 1 where the mathematical limit tends to infinity is quite unique in itself.

@TheOrionbeltseeker Are you trying to suggest that species appear spontaneously?

@newjaninev2 There is a pre - cursor to everything. But that precursor is not binded by any law otherwise nipples in men would have disappeared by now calling the new variant of species Niplaslas homo sapiens.

@TheOrionbeltseeker Why would they disappear? What selective pressures would cause such a thing?

@newjaninev2 And How about the idea that God does it to make sure that the species adapt more comfortably to their ever changing environment?

Like during pre-historical times, when the oxygen content was less than 21%, The species with the help of God, survived and formed. How about this idea?

@TheOrionbeltseeker Completely unnecessary... not to mention a violation of Occam’s Razor.

@newjaninev2 Now you are defining what the necessary ideas are?

@TheOrionbeltseeker No, I’m saying that the simplest explanation is the one to go for... why introduce unnecessary complications?

@newjaninev2 complication is bringing all the theories right in for making it more and further more complex including in it the Mandel's principles, the evolution strategies.

Isn't the simplest way to it is THE GOD'S WILL?

@TheOrionbeltseeker Evolution is very simple.

There is heritable change in the distribution and frequency of alleles

That’s it. That’s evolution.

@newjaninev2 What you’re offering first requires an explanation of your magical entity... you cannot offer as an explanation something that is itself unexplained.

@newjaninev2 You are distorting the ideas. It is not as simple as the work of God. Say work of God and you don't even gage to get in details of what all the changes are taking place, unnecessary complex process, color of eye is blue, mom's color green, Dad's color Green, maybe the gene was suppressed in their forefathers. Why all of it?

Just the will of God.

@TheOrionbeltseeker Evolution is the [i]process[/i]

Natural Selection is the [i]mechanism[/i]

Evolution had been proposed for millennia (it was discussed by the Ancient Greeks). Darwin’s great contribution was to identify Natural Selection as the mechanism that drives the process of evolution... hence the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

Genes march backwards into the future, into environments that are constantly changing. Each replication of those genes may or may not enjoy a [i]reproductive advantage[/i] in the new environment. Those that do will increase in their frequency and distribution.

[b]Constant change in the environment[/b] means that sex and death are all that’s needed.
If you have one, you need the other.
If you have both, you need nothing else.

@TheOrionbeltseeker [quote]Random chance of 1 where the mathematical limit tends to infinity is quite unique in itself.[/quote]
A probability of 1 is a certainty. In an infinite set, every probability tends to 1.

What are you trying to say?

@TheOrionbeltseeker [quote]There is a pre - cursor to everything.[/quote]
So what is the pre-cursor to "God"?

@Sharon I believe God and time are precursor to each other as "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God"

Here, when it is specified "in the beginning" , that means the start of time for I still believe time can not go beyond the Zero on the other side of the graph.

@Sharon Out of 6 numbers of the dice, the probability of getting 1 once would be (1/6), getting 1 twice would be (1/36) and thrice, would be (1/216) and likewise. Imagine Producing similar results over a large pattern of time say across the millennium. The nature continiously gives us the same offspring with nearly no defects, the same 2 legs, 2 arms, how about that with such a minute, the smallest of the smallest like (1 of the trillionth)
is in itself an astonishing thing.

While a "three line theorum of heat, electricity etc" have in themselves, so many a number of exceptions.

@TheOrionbeltseeker You're overlooking the time span involved. You say "millennium" - that's only a thousand years, nothing in terms of human evolution. We can easily see evolution at work in more simple organisms such as bacteria and viruses. Many bacteria have evolved to become resistent to common antibiotics in just a few decades.

The probability of any getting any number between 1 and 6 inclusive on a single roll of a die is 1/6. That doesn't mean it has to be rolled 6 times before any number appears. No matter how low a probability, it can occur on the first attempt.