As an atheist since age 20, let me tell you the number of times I committed a crime because without God there was nothing stopping me!
That would be zero. Anyone want to try to count the number of child rapes committed by men of faith?
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SatyrService · M
SatyrService · M
@Soossie No it is not,
But statistics it’s not just about how many of this or that. I just finished reading a wonderful book called the drunkards walk an overview of statistics across history and the invention of the science. As to your primary point I did not say it was a precision search, but I invite you to try it yourself go to your favorite search engine type in atheist pedophile and see how much comes up I do recommend the book it’s awesome it’s available as an audio as well
But statistics it’s not just about how many of this or that. I just finished reading a wonderful book called the drunkards walk an overview of statistics across history and the invention of the science. As to your primary point I did not say it was a precision search, but I invite you to try it yourself go to your favorite search engine type in atheist pedophile and see how much comes up I do recommend the book it’s awesome it’s available as an audio as well
SatyrService · M
@Soossie I just did another scan with a different search engine. It seems that if you combine those two words atheist and pedophile you get many articles about a certain controversial unbeliever speaking in ways that seem to diminish pedophilia as a criminal act. I also saw in the same search dozens and dozens of articles about religious leaders taking advantage of young people.
I may have to ask some AI. But from what I am learning AI tend to tell you what they think you are interested in hearing not necessarily anything like a clear statistical analysis. I for one use a statistical tool and some of my work. It’s called a Benford analysis and what it does is examines collections of numbers that are supposed to be random or even supposed to be specific to some need. A beneford Analysis allows you to look at any collection of numbers and see if they are artificially produced it’s not hard to do works like a charm
I may have to ask some AI. But from what I am learning AI tend to tell you what they think you are interested in hearing not necessarily anything like a clear statistical analysis. I for one use a statistical tool and some of my work. It’s called a Benford analysis and what it does is examines collections of numbers that are supposed to be random or even supposed to be specific to some need. A beneford Analysis allows you to look at any collection of numbers and see if they are artificially produced it’s not hard to do works like a charm
bijouxbroussard · F
@Soossie But those who don’t believe in a god are not being held up as claiming to be"supported by a higher power". When they are kind and charitable, it’s not with any hope of reward or fear of punishment from an omnipotent being. Likewise, when someone who believes harms a child, can they doubt that the god they believe in will judge them harshly ? 🥺
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@SatyrService
I don't see any reason for that... what so ever.
Pedophilia, at least for me, is still a biological and psychological phenomena (to cover the entire nurture vs nature debate). I don't see any reason why religion, or the lack there off, would increase the level of people that are sexually attracted too children that didn't go through puberty. Not one.
I think part of the answer why you make this reflection, is one that is rooted in Schmittian politics and projection. An idea based on "we" vs "them"... where "we" are the good guys and "them" are the enemy and thus some form of "evil". And the idea that "I'm an atheist", thus the good guy, and therefore bad phenomenas either don't occur or are a regretable exception in my own in-group, while the other group is kinda fucked up and thus bad stuff happens way more with those people.
And if you say this:
It feels that you are also influenced by a media culture. If a random pedophile gets caught, the media will not mention their religious affiliation at all. Unless that media type, is already falling in the dimensions that I mentioned before and are playing on "we" vs "them" narratives. But the affiliation will be mentioned if it's relevant... like when it happens in an institution like a church. The cases in churches that have come up, can't be explained in the media without mentioning the institution. While atheist ussually don't have institutions like this, and their religious affiliation in the media have 0 contribution to the broadcasting from their crimes. If the perception of "the other" is already negative, it's a tendency to give more weight to the bad example that enforces prior believes. Also in times when broadcasting of this sort is higher, it reinforces the prejudice. Or as Kahneman wrote:
@Soossie I think the percentage of atheists that are pedophiles is much smaller in the percentage of those in religious and holy orders
I don't see any reason for that... what so ever.
Pedophilia, at least for me, is still a biological and psychological phenomena (to cover the entire nurture vs nature debate). I don't see any reason why religion, or the lack there off, would increase the level of people that are sexually attracted too children that didn't go through puberty. Not one.
I think part of the answer why you make this reflection, is one that is rooted in Schmittian politics and projection. An idea based on "we" vs "them"... where "we" are the good guys and "them" are the enemy and thus some form of "evil". And the idea that "I'm an atheist", thus the good guy, and therefore bad phenomenas either don't occur or are a regretable exception in my own in-group, while the other group is kinda fucked up and thus bad stuff happens way more with those people.
And if you say this:
@Soossie I’m not sure that I do. But I also know that if an atheist, is caught doing such a thing the headlines will go very far. In fact a brief scan, has shown no articles about an atheist being a pedophile. By comparison, there are many showing this about holy men
It feels that you are also influenced by a media culture. If a random pedophile gets caught, the media will not mention their religious affiliation at all. Unless that media type, is already falling in the dimensions that I mentioned before and are playing on "we" vs "them" narratives. But the affiliation will be mentioned if it's relevant... like when it happens in an institution like a church. The cases in churches that have come up, can't be explained in the media without mentioning the institution. While atheist ussually don't have institutions like this, and their religious affiliation in the media have 0 contribution to the broadcasting from their crimes. If the perception of "the other" is already negative, it's a tendency to give more weight to the bad example that enforces prior believes. Also in times when broadcasting of this sort is higher, it reinforces the prejudice. Or as Kahneman wrote:
The lesson is clear: estimates of causes of death are warped by media coverage. The coverage is itself biased toward novelty and poignancy. The media do not just shape what the public is interested in but are also shaped by it. Editors cannot ignore the public's demands that certain toppics and vieuwpoints receive extensive coverage. Unusual events (...) attract disproportionate attention and are consequently perceived as less unusual than they really are. The world in our heads is not a precise replica of reality; our expectations about the frequency of events are distorted by the prevalence and emotional intensity of the messages to which we are exposed."
- Daniel Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and slow
- Daniel Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and slow