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Ideological Fixation And The Grand Utopia

I only suggest that participants be as "open minded" as possible. I don't want to fight. A rational discussion. I picked the topic in order to discuss what I see as the challenges before humanity in solving the problems of mankind in order to discuss them rationally.

No one knows everything. We tend to fixate on our ideological preferences. This means that right or wrong on issues as mundane as fashion, music, sports, art, literature, politics, et cetera, as well as the religious, spiritual, and epistemological we seem to want everyone else to think like we think. Since it is extremely unlikely in even the most advanced state of existence we could possibly imagine, that some unified consensus be reached on our ideal cohabitation I would like to discuss:

1. What challenges are before us.
2. How we might address those challenges.
3. What conflicts might arise in doing so.
4. And how we might possibly resolve those conflicts.

1. So, imagining that all of humanity were working together to achieve, as much as possible, that ideal cohabitation, what challenges would the sociopolitical landscape be faced with? Does anyone, like myself, think that the political divisions on a global as well as national scale would be the most prominent and that differences of a theistic nature, i.e. atheist vs theist, would be comparatively trivial?

2. We might address the political challenges by completely removing national and international political representation to local clusters wherein social and legislative issues would be voted on by individuals of legal age by means of secure voting achieved by technological development. We make a device which each adult within a relatively small community could use to decide matters of local importance. The device would be, as much as possible, secure and tamper proof.

3. Possible conflicts would be, first off, democracy and the temptation to take social, political and monetary advantage by groups within the community as well as the security of the device itself. First and foremost though, would be the need to remove the incentive to corrupt the system.

4. This could be resolved by removing the incentive, which would have already been in part incorporated within the removal of the old system and building of the new. Specifically the removal of government and money. Technologically speaking we are at the point where we could develop such a system.

Having said that, what does it have to do with atheism vs theism? I believe that the spiritual and the technological must coincide with one another in the development of mankind's social structuring. I think it not only crucial but unavoidable.

I should define the terms: spiritual: I define spiritual not as the metaphysical, i.e. abstract, baseless, but from the Greek word pneuma (from which comes the English pneumatic, pneumonia) meaning unseen active force. Tradition, culture, religion, compelled mental inclination. I call it practical spirituality. We have to examine the subtle yet powerful forces that compel us.

Technology: the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes, especially in industry.

To summarize: we use technology for advancement without monetary incentive or political corruption, we minimize the conflict by reducing communities in size to have local governance without corruption of elected officials while examining the influence of tradition, culture, ideology, et cetera.

The question: could any alleged conflict between the spiritual and the scientific be addressed and resolved without being detrimental to the global network of communities?
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redredred · M
I know no more gentle way to put this. You’re out of your fucking mind.

What you describe is a hell on earth, an out of control mobocracy. No thanks. I’ll take the US Constitution as amended.
@redredred
What you describe is a hell on earth, an out of control mobocracy. No thanks. I’ll take the US Constitution as amended.

Ideological fixation of a nationalistic variety. I'm not sure I can ignore it, though, because it seems to have it backwards. The mobocracy is the democracy. The US constitution was the basis for a republic. In a republic you can't infringe upon the rights of an individual for the sake of the majority. The mob, if you will. A democracy is designed to do exactly that.

The problem with your conclusion, apart from that unescapable and unavoidably obvious fact, is that the US with it's corrupt system and puppet leaders, corrupted by corporatocracy and the puppet masters, the aristocracy, is both a global threat and force. In other words, one culture decimates another for what is obviously nothing more than a need to control and benefit from resources.

No war was ever fought for any other reason. In the guise of religion, freedom et cetera.
redredred · M
@AkioTsukino Listen up, reading is an important life skill, you really should look into it. I well understand what a republic is and why I prefer it to your beloved mobocracy (what you described as little local soviets making decisions).

I preferred the US Constitution as amended, not the hideous perversion generations of what the Uniparty has produced at least since the Wilson administration.
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redredred · M
@AkioTsukino I have you just don’t have the intelligence to see it. The US Constitution is a rare gem of the Enlightenment and no finer work exists to govern the affairs of men. The Amendments made to it have added to its quality and it was fine enough to allow for and describe the means for its amending.

Nothing in its realm comes close.
@redredred Ever stop to ask why the Constitution has allowed the development of the “uniparty” when it was designed to avoid the concentration of power into one unaccountable group? I would say that it was designed to do just that from the beginning. You’re just mad that it’s a group you disapprove of.