I Am An Atheist

I am an anti-theistic agnostic atheist and a skeptic and I do not believe in a god or gods.

Theists seem to believe their god is an elderly white haired man with a beard sitting on a cloud and I believe that is completely ludicrous but that is what religious art work has portrayed for hundreds of years. Millions of them believe that kindly looking gentleman created the universe about 5000 years ago.

There may have been a force that played a part in the creation of the universe and everything in it.

There may have been, but I don't know so I am not going to worry about it.

There are far, far more things in this universe that I will never understand than things that I will. I am still trying to grasp the concept of a "Multi-verse".

If a "force" does exist that created the universe it would be a force that is so far beyond our comprehension that we have neither the language to describe it nor the intelligence to understand it.

Yet theists talk about "God's will" as if they not only understand this force but they also know what it is thinking. They are saying "We can read the mind of a force that created the universe". They can read their god's mind but have difficulty balancing their cheque book.

If that force does exist, is "create" even the correct term, or are theists simply reducing the process to something they can grasp, something they are not afraid of.

Theists like to use words like "Create", "Holy", "God", words that they can understand, that they can wrap their minds around, that they can picture in their imagination. Rather than just accepting there are things in this universe they can't comprehend, theists have reduced this possible "force" to something they can.

An old man, sitting on a cloud.

Theists can understand that image.

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SW-User

You're a low atheist. Try reasoning the natural provision of afterlife and become a high atheist.

DFDGsdfffss · M

This sounds interesting. Could you talk more of this?

lostcanadian · 70-79, M

I am familiar with the terms "strong atheist" and "weak atheist" but not low and high. If you are saying I am a weak atheist it is because I can't prove there are no gods any more than theists can prove there are gods. I can't prove there aren't fairies at the bottom of the garden either.

SW-User

@Chrintelle: It's an in depth topic. Low atheists use only one half of a proper onus system to arrive at their pessimistic belief. High atheists use a full onus system called The Tempered to arrive at their optimistic belief.

SW-User

@lostcanadian: Strong and weak atheism are both facets of low atheism. The strong atheist is less patient: interpreting their half onus system as other beliefs never being able to prove their case, thus only they are correct. By this means they achieve certitude and become the dominant facet. The weak atheist (the agnostic) is more reserved: working within the same system (likable to burden of proof) but still holding out the possibility of being incorrect. Strong and weak atheists are birds of a feather, and these inaccurate terms were created to foster certitude.

High atheism is a different order: keeping nature as the explanation or means- but adopting continuation as the theme.

Sorry for the delay. Late dinner and dishes!

lostcanadian · 70-79, M

@SuperCute: I am a bit lost about what you are trying to say. A strong or gnostic atheist doesn't believe there are gods and feels there is evidence to show that. He/she then has the onus to provide that evidence as he/she is making a claim. A weak or agnostic atheist doesn't believe there are gods but does not have any evidence to support that belief, it is simply a belief, and therefor he/she is not making any claim. As he/she is not making any claim other than one of a personal belief he/she has no onus of proof. Gnostic atheists and gnostic theists are both out to lunch as far as I am concerned. They both make unsupported claims and provide no evidence for those claims.
There is a big difference in saying "I don't believe in gods" and saying "There are no gods".

SW-User

How might a strong atheist feel there is evidence against the existence of gods? Something is strange here. The strong atheist puts the onus on the faithful and by their inability registers their belief as a failed attempt. The weak atheist does exactly the same thing, but puts no time constraint on proof submission.

And they use the same 'unscientifically rigged' half onus system. This will definitely prove a relationship between strong and weak atheists.

lostcanadian · 70-79, M

@SuperCute: I have no idea how a strong or gnostic atheist feels there is evidence against the existence of a god. Why are you asking me? I am a agnostic atheist. Ask a gnostic atheist. Try reading some of the things they have written. Try emailing Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris.
Perhaps they just accept the image below as saying enough.