Jordan Peterson! Do you like him?

@basilfawlty89 i might be wrong but the way i see it is.. its not like he advocates for hierarchy but he accepts it as an inevitable way of the nature..

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@jellyfishman which is logically fallacious as appeals to nature are a logical fallacy. He uses lobsters as examples. Here's the problem - we're not crustaceans.

@basilfawlty89 but i feel like the lobster example is just a subsidiary thing.. even if he didnt use the example of lobsters, it is still realistically true that hierarchy has existed in human's history always. I think hierarchy itself is not a bad thing but in fact is an inevitable system to survive in a competitive world. If the world is an ideal place and we all have enough resources for everyone, we wouldnt need such thing but when things are competitive and you have to care about efficiency, people divide work, positions and stuff depends on what they are good at and stuff.. what is bad about hierarchy is I think when peoples evil side like greed and arrogance get to be involved in it and some, or many people take advantage of their position.. If I have a good leader whom I can trust and rely on, who tries to do the right thing for all and truly respect other people, the hierarchy system won't be that bad I think..

@basilfawlty89 @jellyfishman there is nothing wrong with hierarchy per se, it is inevitable in social organisation.

the problem with peterson and hierarchy is that he sees himself as occupying, as of some intellectual entitlement, a position towards the top of that hierarchy, and most of his devotees as being on lower branches.

hierarchy is necessary for him to maintain his view of his own importance.

which is all a bit sad, really.

@Yulianna Ah... I think I can understand why you don't like him a little now.. maybe you don't like his attitude that he acts as a teacher of the listeners and he talks like he is very sure about what he says.. (I might be wrong!)

@jellyfishman i think i told you elsewhere that i don't dislike peterson, he may be a perfectly nice person... though i doubt it.

i just think he has a grossly inflated view of himself and of his importance, and now sees himself as a guru, a cult leader.