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An update on Standing Rock:

Police are using what could be considered deadly force now. Police are trapping protectors and assaulting them. Spraying ice water in below-freezing temperatures, pepper spray, use of concussive grenades (blew a woman's arm open. had she been hit in the chest, face, head, or neck, she would be dead) shooting protectors, including a 13 y/o girl, in the face and back with rubber bullets, causing people to lose consciousness and sustain head trauma. Flash bangs have caused fires which were ignored by police. An elder was sent into cardiac arrest, was resuscitated, and is now in critical condition. Monroe County health services should be responding but they are not; tribal health services are having to handle everything alone. It's an unlawful militant attack against peaceful, unarmed protectors.

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TexChik · F

You SJW's are amazing. Not following police instructions after forming a mob will get you special attention . Something rational intelligent people avoid .

Goralski · 51-55, M

People have an absolute rite to protest as long as they're not smashing and torching shit

TexChik · F

@Goralski: and not blocking traffic. In this case however the police saw otherwise ...

Goralski · 51-55, M

@TexChik: what traffic the wild horses

NinaSilver · 26-30, F

Actually the police barricaded the bridge. Police blocked traffic to disrupt the flow of emergency supplies to the water protectors.

Never mind the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has legal right to the land and the pipeline is being built without their consent.

TexChik · F

@Goralski: no, talking about what the tards do in the city , blocking traffic , causing the deaths of a man enroute to a hospital by ambulance

Goralski · 51-55, M

@TexChik: this is way different this ain't no sjw protest

TexChik · F

@NinaSilver: defying LE will get you hurt and arrested

NinaSilver · 26-30, F

I'm not an SJW either, @TexChik. You might be taken more seriously if you didn't use SJW unironically. No one calls themselves that anymore and use of the term generally denotes perception more consistent with caricature.

NinaSilver · 26-30, F

@TexChik: LE should be enforcing the law, then.

AcidBurn

@NinaSilver: "Never mind the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has legal right to the land and the pipeline is being built without their consent." I've read over and over that the pipeline doesn't touch land that's on their reservation. Is that true or do you know something different?

NinaSilver · 26-30, F

@NoOneYouKnow: I'll certainly look further into it, but as I understand it, the pipeline would have needed consent for the tribe. They're citing an old treaty, that I know of, which highlights the US's failure to honour treaties made with indigenous tribes.

A spill (which is a 'when,' not an 'if') depending on location and severity could contaminate their water, the water of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservstion and the Missouri River itself.

CNN says it "threatens the Tribe's environmental and economic well-being, and would damage and destroy sites of great historic, religious, and cultural significance to the Tribe."

Goralski · 51-55, M

@TexChik: law enforcement ain't always right im not a big fan of Eminem domain as it pertains to taking peoples land for private industry

AcidBurn

@NinaSilver: The most recent I read was an article on Time Magazine's site that said the pipeline didn't cross reservation land. It did point out the river issue. I thought I read somewhere that it would be crossing the missouri river in the same area a pipeline already exists and crosses the river. I don't remember where I read that though.

NinaSilver · 26-30, F

@NoOneYouKnow: I think it doesn't cross reservation land (although it comes very close) but it violates an older treaty.

I know it would cross under the missouri river, I hadn't heard about the pipeline.

AcidBurn

@NinaSilver: I believe it's following the Northern Border Pipeline. They're crossing the river in virtually the same spot. In which case, they're protesting putting a pipeline where one already exists. I'm not saying it's right or wrong either way, but it seems weird to protest the pipeline if there's already one there.

NinaSilver · 26-30, F

@NoOneYouKnow: The existence of another pipeline is the reason, or at least the main reason, they're protesting. It's all the other stuff.

NinaSilver · 26-30, F

@NoOneYouKnow: I found a thing + an external link on United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoDAPL/comments/5fcoqe/who_actually_owns_the_land_where_the/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Sioux_Nation_of_Indians