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I Am American And Love My Country

[b][center]For those of you who will vote for Clinton because you like the status quo....Let's review what the status quo really is:[/center][/b]

I'm an American citizen that sees her country in decline.

I care about 95 million Americans out of the labor force

50 million Americans in Poverty

46 million Americans on Food Stamps, 12 million more than 8 years ago.

I care that we have the lowest home ownership in 51 years and the worst recovery since the 1940's and the record debt left to our children

Accumulating more debt than the last 3 presidents combined.

50% unemployment rate among black teenagers

58% increase in the number of blacks on food stamps in the last 8 years.

20% of blacks out of the labor force.

I care that the average family seeing a $4000. increase in healthcare cost while medium household income is in decline in he last 8 years.

Taking in refugees when we know that ISIS will infiltrate the population.

National security on open borders.

Illegal immigrants competing with the 95 million American's looking for jobs while driving down wages.

Iran getting a nuclear weapon

The money obama and Clinton supported giving to Iran

The growth of ISIS in Irag, Serbia, Libya, N. Africa and all over Europe.

A president that can't say the word "Radical Islam
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
That's the whole point of trying to expose her for all she's done. Putin has already stated that if it's Hillary it's war. Claiming that a husband and wife are of the same Satan. Since Bill Clinton passed sanctions against them that cause Russia's economy to collapse they will not tolerate another possible 8 years of political maneuvering to make them weak again. So if she wins they're going to consider the American people just as corrupt as her and have no qualms in a full scale war. And I don't believe they plan to do it with tanks and soldiers...

So they'll most likely be so repulsed at all the effort they did to aid in the truth being revealed and ending up so blatantly rejected by the American people it will end in warheads flying across the sky. With all Obama's done to piss them off. Refusing to pay back a measly 1 billion dollars as a sign of good faith that we're working towards paying off our debts being ignored. Both China and Russia feeling the same hard feelings towards the American people. It wouldn't come as a shock if they formed an alliance right now.

It's already been noted from Putin that we've only been saved by the Grace that they're not of a communist origin any longer. But if they had been they would not have suffered all these insults.
People can try to believe all they want that we'd service a nuclear bombardment but with Obama's years being spent on mostly unarming us. We'd lose this upcoming war, I'm sure of that. So signing her name into the bracket on election day is simply a masochistic death sentence.

All we can do is say how it plays out I suppose. People seem to be so stuck to their agenda on which side they started on. They don't even care that they stole their true vote from them on the Democrat side to begin with. I just can't understand the mentality of those willing to vote for someone who cheated you that way but... I guess that's what they want.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
I think you misunderstood what I'm saying Ray. I'm saying whether the polls turn up that a republican is ahead or a democrat is ahead. Has no accuracy whatsoever. Not "It must be a lie that Clinton is ahead! Boo Clinton!"

Your vote is your vote and your entitlement. It's your freedom. Many people don't accept Obama as their president though he does technically run the country. They don't honor him as such. So on the chance Trump wins and you feel the same the irony is that we all share in that sense of distaste at one point or another.

I believe Clinton can win the election. I'm just extremely skeptical on how legitimate that win would be seeing as the true runner for the election on the democrats side should be Sanders. It just baffles me that things as important as elections come up. The peoples voices are put down. And then for the most part they're simply going to let her get away with it and give her their vote. Instead of correcting the matter. That's what I fail to comprehend going on the democrats side of things.

All you really have to do is reverse what MasterLee stated to understand what we're talking about. "The polls are bad. If you poll a hundred people and 80 of them are Democrats, how do you think the poll will read?"

Simply change the word "Democrats" to "Republicans" and how do you think the polls will read? It's simply media bias... They only have two motivations when posting polls. 1- To get the most controversial reaction for mass amounts of clicks...
2- To tether their own bias within the polls to somehow influence that weaker willed into not bothering to voice their vote that truly believe that outcome will only end in one way...

Now this is only done by select polls.

The rest falls under the third category~ Complete Randomness. As MasterLee stated. If you only decide to poll a random 100 strangers on the street in a city you're going to get completely random results. Only on the actual election day is EVERYONE's voice opinionated. Any polls taken before hand are either biased or flawed. They don't truly represent anything. Regardless of what side the poll is for. Be it Trump or Hillary. The election is simply the true poll since you're literally taking a vote on every last individual and their right to vote.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
Rimas~ Reagan SPENDING money is actually based upon him GETTING us money because we actually had money to spend! He won every last state hands down! All fifty! Thanks to Carters poor job making people wait HOURS in gas lines over a FALSE crisis he created for the American people to endure.

Reagan had the best approval rate for both republican and democrat voters. I can understand people wanting to complain about other republican presidents if they're really on that side of the fence. But just because people try to be shrewd with their wording does not make it fact. "Reagan spent more!!" Reagan's economic policies were productive giving the country the ability to spend more! You need to fact check things. Reagan's reign is considered one of the most successful for America's history. It's not even bright for anyone to try and talk smack about it since the entire country was for him at the time.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@super. Interesting observations. I agree with much if it. I also agree the Russians have the goods on Hillary. And I believe she'll be blackmailed if she ever makes it to 1600 again. God help us.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
Polls are the most inaccurate thing ever. No matter the side polling. Only an official election where an unaltered voting spectrum takes place truly matters. But Hillary has already cheated Sanders out of his rightful position as the democrat's contender for the official election. Who know's how all these voting crap is going to take place considering her immense cheating.

And you may have read all the posts Ray but it's quite apparent you didn't use the reference link I sent. Putin has already stated it as an indefinite matter. The Russian hacks even point to evidence of this. They're trying their best to prevent a war by exposing Hillary Clinton. Your vote is your vote. But when the entire Russian people are afraid of Hillary getting in office over what Bill Clinton did to them. And Putin blatantly states that if it's Hillary it's war... What evidence do you present in a direction opposite of that?

Though you may have already given up on this thread... So hopefully you enjoyed your walk.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
Your response psycho, shows that you're not evaluating or looking at it objectively like I asked you to make an attempt to do. Instead you push the slightest notion aside to stay on your agenda based platform. Honestly it's much easier to see once you take a little time to just chill out and look at it from a different angle instead of going off of a dismissive route and blatant refusal to acknowledge a possible different perspective with~ "I don't believe in YOUR NONSENSE"

But there was no "Nonsense" you can point out of it. So you bring up an entirely different and unrelated tangent that "There's never been True Capitalism" Yet under Capitalism America and just about every other top tiered country with a happy and satisfied civilian population has fallen under the category of Capitalism... So it makes no sense how you could say such things as how America's entire success story is based off of it's workings... You can't just do away with history you know and "Choose not to believe" it's history didn't exist.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
Psycho I don't think you're evaluating things for what they actually are. You're stuck on an agenda right now and need to observe what people are saying objectively. As Carpediem put it: "The middle class is being destroyed by liberal policy. Not by capitalism."

What you can take from that is that you're not seeing TRUE Capitalism anymore. But already the impending inner workings of a governments policies trying to change from the inside out into a socialist branching. So in essence it is not TRUE CAPITALISM AT ALL. And that is what many people are upset about. Right now it's this vile conglomeration mixture of putrid bile that the negative parties are attempting to pass off and charade as "See! See! Capitalism is failing!" But it's not capitalism because of they've sabotaged it into this disgusting hybrid of a creature where Capitalism is mixed with Socialism. And that is where the unbalancing of economic laws stand right now in this country.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
sighmeupforthat,

Let's see...Carter years! The worst president ever.....now obama. I'll take Carter, at least he loved ur country.
carpediem · 61-69, M
It's not that Sanders was cheated. It's that the DNC had this planned from day one. You see, voters aren't smart enough under DNC rules to choose who the delegate should be. Only the people currently in charge of the party are. Bernie wasted his time and contributor's money. It was planned and the script was simply followed with a couple minor adjustments.

After all, Bernie fell in line eventually.
carpediem · 61-69, M
Yeah... The liberals really know how to run a country into the ground don't they.
carpediem · 61-69, M
The middle class is being destroyed by liberal policy. Not by capitalism. Making everyone poorer is no way to cure income inequality. Yet that is what's happening. Capitalism created the great country in history. Let it work. Take off the restraints.

You have no clue what you're talking about. $100 says you still live with your parents and have no idea what it's like to support yourself.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
In capitalism, you can traverse from one class to another. In America you can get training and move up. In socialist countries you are born into a job and there is nothing you can do as you can never be anything but a lower class citizen. The liberals hate this as they see when Individuals move up they think for themselves and become a threat to their wealth and power.
junegirl1970 · 51-55, F
I agree with everything you said!
girlsmoke1975 · 46-50, F
love2smile, you are right on!
lov2smile · 36-40, F
Raythedevil,

It's no longer a question of status quo....Based on the above information, the country is heading in the wrong direction.....[b]DOWN! [/b]

As a business man, Trump knows how to delegate. Pence will govern. Trump will take credit if things go well, Pence will take the blame if they don't.

Trump's cabinet will be made of of people from the real world and the Supreme justice will be someone that follows the constitution.

You could do better than hilliary....In Fact everyone that has responded here would do a better job than hilliary
MasterLee · 56-60, M
She is a horrible choice.
Raythedevil · 56-60, M
I doubt I could do a better job than anyone, though if I had a good enough group of advisers...but not anyone currently advising on a political campaign or in line for a cabinet position.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
Rimas~ Technically we're living off of an invisible currency. Spared by our current allies not calling in any of their debts. Obama literally increased that debt by what I believe the post goes on to state which is~ Accumulating even more debt than the last three presidents combined. Two of which had full on 8 year terms.

Rather than decreasing our debt witch ingenious economic resolve which he ran his campaign on he simply "Borrowed" trillions. And it is only because those countries would like to see that money paid back in full that we're being given a chance and not having our debts called all in at once which would essentially halt all foreign trade and reduce our currency to that of the value it's printed upon which is just paper.

Hillary originally stated in her "Economic" goals that she plans to borrow another trillion dollars. Most recently being changed to 275 billion. Even though many countries have claimed they won't lend us a single dime more due to our lack in paying anything back. She believes with that measly sum she'll create tens of millions of jobs. This being the liar of course who was proven to cheat the actual nominee out of his position. I'm not going to believe 275 billion dollars, just to spend it mind you. Is going to create a recovering economic system for this country at all.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Liberals tweak capitalism in an attempt to favor the losers. Capitalism saves nations when unfettered. So to say capitalism doesn't work is ignorant. Even China has figured out capitalism works.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
Economically the answer is easy: Cut taxes and scale back regulation.

Diplomatically the answer is also easy: The USA is the world's only Superpower, so act like it.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Yes the weight of socialism is collapsing the eu, countries are close to bankruptcy, illegal aliens are killing people daily, yeah sounds like you should emigrate soon.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Yes the doom and gloom liberals accelerated our debt to 20 trillion and made it worse. We need to get back to conservative ideals in government (not individual) with fiscal responsibility.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
I don't think psycho grasps the fact that not only would he make $10 an hour but he'd be making $10 an hour no matter what job he was doing. And then paying immense taxes on top of that $10 more so than they're already reaming people for as it stands now. Then his parents would be reduced to $10 as well with even less ways to help their son out. And instead of a lower class, middle class, upper class system it's reduced to lower class for 99.5% of the population, with no chance to become middle or upper. And the elite .5% having even more authority over your life than you were probably upset with them having before...
carpediem · 61-69, M
The psycho kid has no frame of reference. Just a website he's reading and a shit job. Yeah, he's an expert. A Bernie-bot.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Why are you doing a $10/hr job? Are you only skilled in fast food? Pot smoker? Lack of ability to get to a regular job on time?
MasterLee · 56-60, M
The polls are bad. If you poll a hundred people and 80 of them are Democrats, how do you think the poll will read?
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
Psycho. The third world countries are ripped off from their corrupt governments. Not by other countries. If you'd like to say historically there was a time where stronger governments militarily preyed upon the weak to amass COLOSSAL amounts of wealth at that time then yes you'd be correct. But that no longer applies as the English let loose of most of their reigns on the global empire they had acquired at that time.

Now they simply keep their people weak because they don't want them to revolt. As they know their own corruption. And a weaker people will not have the means to change things. If you research it you can see for yourself that all the aid sent to these countries around the world. For the most part is kept in storehouses and left to rot. That is the corruption of THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS. If you want to talk about our governments being corrupt. It's for not being involved enough and putting pressure on them to invoke pure democracies to empower the people. But that's a completely different agenda than what you've been led to believe.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
You should cite where you cut/pasted this from. Based on your previous posts you didn't write it.

However you are contrasting a belief system with economic system.

Fascism is not the opposite of socialism. In fact there are few differences. It comes from the belief that a few at the top control everything below.

Further communism is the evolution of socialism since voluntary redistribution only works about 5 minutes.

So your opinion is not based in fact.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
He is regurgitating a website. Therefore he cannot respond to direct questions.
Raythedevil · 56-60, M
But see, you guys and others are already determined that this will not be an unaltered voting spectrum, ie 'Clinton can only win if the election is rigged'. So you're bound not to accept the results unless Trump wins. And there's just no way I would want to accept the Donald as my president.
sereneblessings · 31-35, F
love2smile, I read all the above. Most of it true, some of it right wing talk show talking points. Now go back and research the state of the country when Obama took office. I'm not saying he's done a great job. Sure it could be a lot better. But it was worse when he took over, not better.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@super I'm not going to argue the finer points of cheating. The DNC and HRC seem to have that mastered. I have no clue on the numbers for Bernie. The DNC has the system rigged through "super delegates", so it was a tough road for him.

It seems to me that he was beat the day he entered the race.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
Blithe,

You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make her drink it.

The facts are staring you in the face and you refuse to believe it.

If Hiliary is caught robbing a bank, would you excuse her and say she was just making an ATM withdrawel?
Raythedevil · 56-60, M
So you don't believe any of the polling companies are truly independent? I am familiar with the idea that polls can be construed to achieve any desired result, but that usually requires some control of the poll in question.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
Ray. I believe many are independent. But it doesn't change the fact that they're completely unreliable for either parties side to use. You're talking 324 million people. And polling at most maybe 1,000 - 2,000. Average the number out to the fact that maybe 200 million with the legal right to vote. You really think you can corroborate any factual logistics from that kind of poll. Regardless of it saying a republican or democrat is in the lead.

Let's take an even more refined example. How often do people switch teams? A lot of these so called "Polls" major argument is that each time trump speaks. Droves of people are leaving him. Do you truly believe this to be accurate? How many people have you heard in the last year of this election claiming that they "WERE" a Trump supporter or that they "WERE" a Hillary supporter? I've not heard a SINGLE PERSON make this claim. In general the only people who are switching any forms of having to pick a side are the Bernie supporters who got cheated out of their actual numbers. And the whole myriad of GOP candidates that others may have been behind that weren't Trump supporters. To make it easier I'll just say Ted Cruz supporters since he's the one that stuck in the longest.

So calculating all this. Do you really believe those numbers aren't fixed? That polling is really that accurate? I frankly don't.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
Smile, you are 100% right. The basic issue is in whom do you want power invested? One one side there is government (public sector) and on the other it is private individuals and business (private sector).

High tax rates, and our corporate taxes are at the highest in the world with France, and a multitude of regulation invest power in the hands of government. This is what we've seen for the past 8 years. High taxes take money from individuals and businesses and transfer it to government. The result has been very high unemployment and per capital income declines.

With more money to spend, government can expand social programs.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
I'm kind of surprised you left out the indefinite war with Russia if she wins as well. Here the Russian hacks are part of a last ditch effort to prevent a war specifically with them. But nobody seems to care.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@psycho. Bernie had no clue. His only issue was others having more than he did. He was more credible than HRC, but that's like saying a thin pig is more desirable than a fat pig.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
rimasforest,

Quick question. Did you read the above or are you just responding to the comments.

Because if you read the above you wouldn't be saying what you just typed.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
Carp,

[i][b]You have no clue what you're talking about. $100 says you still live with your parents and have no idea what it's like to support yourself.[/b][/i]

LOL Too funny!!!
lov2smile · 36-40, F
PsychoMantis,

You seem like a nice person that means well, but do you honestly believe that socialism is the answer?

What do you think will happen when you run out of other people's money?
You can't take away incentive and expect people to work harder.

East Berlin and West Berlin are perfect examples. Read about the aftermath and you will realize socialism/communism doesn't work.

Margaret Thatcher once said: [i] "Socialism is the equal sharing of misery"[/i]
sereneblessings · 31-35, F
lov2smile, ...And in the last 8 years the American auto industry has completely turned around and added almost 900,000 jobs. In the last 8 years we've increased government spending far less than either Reagan or W. did. I can go on but the fact is you're cherry picking all the bad and ignoring the good. And my point to begin with is no matter how much I dislike Hillary Clinton I can't vote to put a clueless lunatic in charge of the free world.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
You can thank over regulation but the reality is individuals have to aspire to be greater.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
SuperPig,

Thank you....Very well said.

No sense in complicating it, nice and easy to understand.
PsychoMantis · 31-35, M
Fascism was born out of the ruins of World War I, in which Mussolini served. Fascism was immediately reactionary to its surroundings in Europe, which was dominated by the two established powers of Britain and France. Britain and France were seen as economically dominant but decaying imperial civilizations who were imposing their hegemony on the rest of Europe. At the same time, Russia had recently undergone its Bolshevik Revolution and was supporting Marxist revolutionary activity and ideology throughout Europe. All of the countries in which fascism took root were countries that had significant socialist movements. Fascism was the opposition to those socialist movements. Fascism further recognized the finance capitalism of the United States and Britain as a destructive and corrupting force on "Western Culture" and as a threat to the still developing European countries, such as Italy, Germany and Ireland.
SerenitiesScars · 31-35, M
Psycho- Your claim on what applies as critical thinking can easily be tossed right back at you. You're on agenda and don't even bother to think about a perspective given to you objectively when asked. You simply state that you're not going to bother taking on a critical thinking session because you've made your decision on what you believe. I'm sorry but when you do that it's not critical thinking at all.
Raythedevil · 56-60, M
She currently leads in all the polls, by double on some of them, I believe. Trump just keeps shooting himself in the face with all his ridiculous statements, he cheated on his taxes as a businessman, he bankrupted himself and several companies, he really knows almost nothing about running a government, and he's uglier than sin to boot.
carpediem · 61-69, M
Phyco... Hitler now? And I have no clue? Go away kid. Get a job.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Clinton could only win if the election is rigged.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
I take it back, autism? Missed a med?
PsychoMantis · 31-35, M
Fascism is recognized to have first been officially developed by Benito Mussolini, who came to power in Italy in 1922. To sum up fascism in one word would be to say "anti-liberalism".In 1932 Mussolini declared that the 20th century would be the "Fascist century" by stating:

"If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century."

Mussolini and his followers believed that this ideology was the best hope for "saving Western Civilization".

What, then, is fascism exactly?
PsychoMantis · 31-35, M
Read history, the American elites make pacts with the elites from other countries to oppress the people. America has a history of overthrowing democratically elected governments. Read School of the Americas, The Americans in Mexico since the civil war. America government is in bed with political parties from third world countries that only share American way of thinking, in other words third world countries Elite and Government are ignorant and fail to see between the lines. Many of this third world countries are rip of through economical deals, and if the third world people want to rebel, the government from those countries with the aid of America will supress any revolution. Why is the world fuck up? simple European hegemony.

 
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