atheist must see GOD/CREATOR with their eyes

@EuphoricTurtle but that isnt your brain is it??

@1490wayb If your claim is that some people are born without brains, then the sheer stupidity of that argument in a way actually proves your point.

touché!!

@EuphoricTurtle i just apply your own logic to a simple matter...you have faith to believe everyone has a brain with out seeing all them...but cant believe there is something more powerful beyond your senses and equipment used to make discovery's

@1490wayb "logic"?

[quote]yet have atheists ever seen their own brain??
how you know you have one if not??[/quote]

My reply..MRI or EEG, or even just plain old brain surgery.

Your rebuttal?...
[quote] but that isnt your brain is it??
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@1490wayb [quote]cant believe there is something more powerful[/quote]

There’s no compelling necessity to do so... so why do it?

@newjaninev2 if im wrong there is nothing to miss out on.
if you are wrong there is an eternity of love, joy, peace, etc you will miss and instead suffer eternal punishmment

@1490wayb Pascal's Wager?

So you're just straight out admitting it doesn't make logical sense but you choose to do so (and others should as well) because of the possible consequences?

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@1490wayb Of course, that’s Pascal’s wager.

Let’s discuss how it is easily debunked, and why it fails

@newjaninev2 human logic...why would anyone expect to find, study, examine, a spiritual divine being with manmade tools?? my position is to remain open-minded to the possibility. it is greater and has powers we do not. my GOD is bigger than universe, he will not fit into any box, no matter how large.

@1490wayb Firstly, Pascal’s Wager does not in itself prove a God exists. It merely says it is safer to presume it does. Yet there is no evidence of gods, and no compelling necessity to even postulate their existence. Given the waste of time and resources involved, it is safer to ignore the entire unnecessary postulation.

Secondly, it presumes you can force yourself to believe something you believe to be false. In what way is living a lie the preferable option. Wouldn’t a god punish you for such deceptive behaviour?

Thirdly, which God should we worship? There are thousands of religions each with their own God. What if we choose the wrong one? What if you die and meet Zeus? Even if you meet a christian god, what if it turns out to be from a different sect of christianity... a mormon rather than a catholic?

It’s better to opt for the Atheist’s Wager. Live a good life and be a nice person, but leave religion alone. If there is a god, and if it's loving and kind, it will forgive you for not believing in it and reward you in the afterlife. If it punishes you despite having been a good person all your life then it's unjust and you shouldn’t worship it.

@1490wayb As I said... why would anyone even [i]postulate[/i] a spiritual divine being. There’s [i]no compelling necessity[/i] to do so, and the postulation explains nothing (not even itself).

We can simply dispense with it and lose nothing.

@newjaninev2 this is brand new to me, never heard of it.
why i believe??
chance of eternal joy, i have nothing nor anyone on this earth. i have had no joy for a long time. only loneliness

@1490wayb There are many thousands of gods on offer, and thousands of religions, and thousands of sects within those religions.

Your chance of eternal joy from picking the right one is extremely slim. Despite your lack of success so far, it’s probably better to seek joy in this life, rather than hoping for a second opportunity

@newjaninev2 i have spent a lifetime seeking happiness and joy. never found it. people in this world treat me like im invisible or dont even exist. im just a tool waiting to complete a task, nothing more. family and all friends deceased with no one willing to take their place. neighbors stay locked up inside never call nor visit.