I Am Tired of America

@CherryBombBetty you nailed it - truth is
the new "hate speech"

@Cierzo I hope I would have the courage to kill Hitler and if you think that makes me simple so be it.

Did you consider Spaniards were less affected by WW2 and Hitler having remained neutral in both the first and second world wars?

Have you considered what part anti -Semitism might play in their responses?

I do know that Hitler's philosophies led directly to the murder of over 1 million Jewish children. I wonder what you would consider worse than the Holocaust?

One guard at Auswitz describes how a giant grave was dug and a truck drove up full of children. The children were shot directly into the grave. One little girl was in a white coat. She had been shot in the throat. She asked for some water, before she started vomiting up blood. She asked her mother to 'turn her over' but of course her mother was not there.

It is assumed she was buried alive with chlorine poured over her and the bodies of the other children to help with the decomposition process.

I get that you see things in black and white. Good for you. However, feeling pride that many Spanish people would choose non intervention (again) and judging Americans because many have the compassion to see shades of grey is really, in the end, quite shallow.

Oversimplifying without understanding conditions of the day and place. What you say brings back my international school experience where people of a certain nationality were always harping on their 'rights' more than anything else when relating to other teachers and even the school management. It seems they are the only ones who have rights and who know what is best. I remember that arrogant attitude so well. It was only in EP that I started to see that there are nice people from there.

That's true about being careful to not change historical timelines, that would of course change our present. That said - you conclusion/judgment on American being oversimplified in the thinking does not follow, and your example doesn't support your statement. In fact, if you take the overall historical record, Spaniards come across as significantly more irresponsible than Americans - especially over the last 100 years or so. Significantly more. Just look at their unwillingness to step up on the war on terror, commensurate with their size as a country - and look at the horrific employment and housing policies that have wrecked the future for so many of their young people. Simply put, Spain is a great country (for sure), but not one that has been very responsible.

@Cierzo, yes. History is up for interpretation these days. Everything is being called racist, sexist or some other -ist. Talking about most history, as factual as you're being, will often bring down a flurry of angry revisionists and political correct warriors.

@Cierzo your post is excellent. I'm American and have never heard this question. Immediately when I read Hitler in your post I thought of the persecuted Jews. But then, I believe the inventions & atrocities of history would happen anyway as part of normal human evolution. For instance, when something is invented simultaneously in China & Europe at the same time without each inventor knowing what the other was doing it shows to me that certain conditions exist worldwide that make inventions necessary. "Necessity is the mother of invention."
I agree if it wasn't Hitler it could have been someone else or that it could have been worse. Thx for opening my mind today to see something I have never seen.

@Faerylight. This is the way discussions should be. Accepting we may disagree, but not taking it personal. I get really discouraged whem words such as fool, dumb, moron, appear in such discussions.

Agreed. Hitler rallied others to his cause but he was not the creator of the underlying unhappiness. Franco, Mussolini, Stalin....all of them would have most likely still done what they did for the most part.

@Ciezro there is enough in the historical record to suggest that Hitler's anti-semitism led directly to the Holocaust. You could argue that without him a different war might have taken place -but the deliberate 'removal' of Germany's Jewish population and that within occupied territories would not have occurred. So attitudes towards Jews (and knowledge of WW2 history) is directly pertinent as a factor in whether or not a person would choose to murder Hitler as a baby.

@Djce45 What you say about Spain is true, but I think this irresponsibility has more to do with our pathetic governments than the population in general, although I admit that the younger generations are too fond of living on credit.
What I said about Americans seeing things more in black and white is based on my personal experience (online, I have never been there) and from people who have lived there. I don't say it is a bad thing, it makes less cynical people

Hitler is one personification of evil. Stalin was other. Mao was other. Kissinger is other. And there are many others whose names remain unknown. We could make a competition counting the victims each one of them is to be blamed for,but is there any point? Wouldn't it be more useful to learn why people follow them when such characters appear?

@Muldoon. Thank you so much for your supporting words. I will remember them in case the usual 'you are dumb' or 'you are a moron' appear and I regret having written this.
The poll really made me think when I found it in the internet. I thought it could happen to other people if I shared it. I am glad it did.
Thanks again for your great feedback.

@Faerylight. The 'final solution' was only decided in the last years of nazism. We cannot know how things would have been if there had been no Hitler. Perhaps there would have been no nazism, or perhaps it could have been existed in a more cruel way with another person. That's why playing god is dangerous.

Sadly... everyone's government has become pathetic.

Some valuable lessons were learned from the past.

@CherryBombBetty. Agree with you.Besides, nazism was much much more than just Hitler. If he had not existed, other had bern in his place, maybe worse. And finally, who are we to change history? We are not God. But in America they think they can do it, and we see the consequences of their interfering every day.

@Novembermoon.These oversimplifying is really dangerous. It splits the world in friends and foes, us and them. It leads to arrogance,to believe 'we are right, and they are wrong', and in extreme cases to justify actions against the allegedly wrongdoers or wrongthinkers.

@Cierzo WWII did cause some amazing (Yet questionably horrible) technology to be born. Iirc most of our knowledge of nuclear fusion/fission happened due to the atomic bombs. Of course, I could be 100% wrong here, but oh well. Im not an expert >.>

Yes it is dangerous. However given the number of people who were killed as a direct result of Hitler's policies and directions -some people would choose to take that risk. That does not make them simple.

@Faerylight.Those who see things simple, and in black and white are those who think that killing one person would have changed everything, Also, I think playing the card of antisemitism is very easy and shallow.

@LysChan. I understand you. I would not do it not only because I cannot kill a baby, also because I don't see thing so simple and would not see evil incarnated in a person. Besides, who am I to change history?

Im pretty sure thats because none of us actually have morals. Im probably like the 1% of Americans who wouldnt kill Hitler, just cause I couldnt handle killing a baby ;_;

@Cherry. Cannot agree with you more. I am tired of those who re-interpret facts of the past using modern criteria.

@Cherry Yet another reason why killing Hitler baby Hitler isnt a good idea. I never thought Id say those words in my life btw.

@lys no, that's true. Pioneering heart surgeries and genetics study came from the nazis as well.

Understand. You would, I would not. Bith gave our reasons.

@Cierzo :-)

Yea sure.m