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I Love Science

Science starts with observation. We look at the world, and we notice things. Many of these things seem to be related, and so we try to come up with an explanation as to how they’re related. This explanation is called a Theory… we can think of these as ‘Big T’ Theories, because they are based on demonstrable evidence and they have wide explanatory power. Scientists then test the Theory in order to prove that it is wrong. This is an important point, and it seems to constantly confuse non-scientists. Science doesn’t try to prove that a Theory is correct. Science tries to prove that the Theory is [i]wrong[/i], and the Theory is accepted only so long as we are unable to show that it is wrong.


Contrast this with our everyday ‘theories’ (my neighbour is probably cheating on her taxes… my friend is having an affair), which are simply vague hunches or convenient fictions - we can think of those as small-t theories. Usually we go looking for evidence to support these ‘theories’, and it is common for us to ignore evidence that contradicts them. It seems to me that it's these vague hunches or convenient fictions that people have in mind when they say that evolution is ‘just a theory’.


Some people claim that the Theory of Evolution is not a real theory because ‘it cannot be falsified’. This is a nonsense. So, what would falsify the Theory of Evolution? Well, if we opened up a stratum of the Earth’s crust that was laid down, say, 100 million years ago and found there the fossilised remains of a modern-day giraffe, then the Theory of Evolution would have a fatal problem. The same would apply if we found fossils out of place in the Earth’s strata. Every single fossil puts the Theory of Evolution at risk, and yet, despite the hundreds of millions of fossils on the record, the Theory still stands. We never see a ‘modern’ rabbit (as an example) suddenly appearing in fossils formed, say, 60 million years ago. The Theory of Evolution is drawn from the evidence… and the evidence we continue to gather consistently fails to falsify it... but we continue to look.


Testing the evidence from which a Theory is developed is complemented by testing the consistency and coherence of the Theory itself (if our Theory is valid, then we should see the following…). This is where science uses the (much-misunderstood) hypothesis.


At its heart, a hypothesis says things like: “because of the evidence we have, the Theory says that chimps and humans have a common ancestor. It therefore follows that there will be strong genetic matches between chimps and humans”. Then we examine the genes of both.


It’s worth noting that even at this level we aren’t trying to prove that the hypothesis is correct… we try to show that it’s [i]incorrect[/i]. To achieve this, we form a Null Hypothesis, which in this case might be “there are no more similarities between chimps and humans than between any other two species”… and we then try to show that to be the case. This is an important point. We don't try to show that the hypothesis is valid... we try to show that the null hypothesis is valid.


If we cannot show that the Null Hypothesis is correct (i.e. we find that there are, in fact, enormous similarities), then we still don’t say that the hypothesis is correct… we say that we have ‘failed to accept the null hypothesis’. After all, we may have made an error, or missed something, and the next person to test the hypothesis might find reason to accept the null hypothesis.


So science doesn’t try to ‘prove’ its theories are correct, nor does it try to ‘prove’ that the hypotheses that come from those theories are correct. Science collects evidence in an attempt to disprove the theories it has formed from earlier evidence, and tests the validity of those theories by forming and testing hypotheses that would invalidate them.
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gregloa · 61-69, M
So what you’re saying is evolution is just a theory and cannot be proven. It’s just accepted because it cannot be disproven. Some Christian scientists would say the same thing about creation science.
Northwest · M
@gregloa

You think theory is an idea/hunch. In science, 'theory' is how facts are interpreted. Creation is entirely based on hunch/ideas/make believe. For some, the latter works, and that's fine, but it does not mean that the scientific meaning of 'theory', should be conflated with the non-scientific meaning.
gregloa · 61-69, M
Yes it does @Northwest
Northwest · M
@gregloa Cool, you go ahead and invent your own definitions.
gregloa · 61-69, M
You’v invented yours@Northwest
Northwest · M
🤣@gregloa
gregloa · 61-69, M
You’re laughing now @Northwest
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Northwest @gregloa It’s accepted because it completely, coherently, and consistently explains the [b]evidence[/b].

Creationists bring no evidence to the table

Additionally, there isn’t ‘Christian Science’ any more than there’s ‘Brazilian science’ or ‘vegetarian science’

There’s just science.

"What do you think science is? There's nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. Which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?"
[i]Dr. Steven Novella[/i]
gregloa · 61-69, M
Oh yes and just when scientists think they have everything figured out boom they find out they were wrong. Time and time again. Whatever makes the most sense at the time doesn’t mean $hit down the road all of a sudden they say we were wrong. Modern human footprints alongside dinosaur footprints were covered up and destroyed in the name of science. I wonder what else has been covered up hmmmmm. @newjaninev2
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@gregloa As I wrote here, self-correction and constant questioning of its own findings is part of what makes science so powerful and useful.

I assume you’re referring to the lies around the Paluxy River site in Texas (calling it a hoax would be too flattering). Its a deliberate lie, has been shown as such, and doesn't merit our attention here. However, I’d be more that happy to show you how the lie was carried out (selective photography and a gullible audience).

What was destroyed, and why would dinosaur tracks be destroyed?
gregloa · 61-69, M
Oh yes of course from an atheist point of view. The truth is well known. @newjaninev2
@newjaninev2 Thank you for reminding me about this site that I once visited as a member of a science group composed from local school campuses in my city as a student youth. We went on a school trip there in the 70s when it was still a controversy and saw the tracks in question for ourselves. Such a long time ago but I recall the sense of wonder as we evaluated for ourselves the possible implications. It wasn't until later after the dust settled that the findings were made public convincingly refuting the "man track" claims and led to their abandonment even by most creationists.

After updating myself on the phenomenon's conclusion, it was found that "the alleged Cretaceous man tracks consistently failed the test of human origin but often passed the test of dinosaur origin." While some footprints were "quite clearly portions of dinosaur footprints, others - those most responsible for the Paluxy mantrack legend - turned out to be [i]inept carvings[/i]." I suppose we know what the implication here is.

Furthermore, while measurements were taken of the "trackways that creationists claimed were human" but also of scrutiny were the "creationists' published data on man-tracks" which were consistently found "to be shoddy and, even when taken at face value, to lead to absurd conclusions about the stride length, foot length, and foot shape of the 'humans' that presumably made them." Which all leads to the conclusion that there is no footprint evidence to support the notion that humans and dinosaurs lived together side by side.

Takes me way back long ago down memory lane to a nostalgic galaxy far, far away.

* "The Paluxy River Footprint Mystery--Solved." Cole, John R., Ed.; Godfrey, Laurie R., Ed. "Creation/Evolution" v5 nl Win 1985 pp. 36. 1985. https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED265059.pdf