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I Love Science

Science is not agreeing with those you believe are scientists. Science is not memorizing and regurgitating scientific theories. Science is not a consensus of like minded individuals.

Science is taking the theory you have and trying to disprove it. Science is putting things to the ultimate test. Science is disbelieving what you have been told and proving said information true or false by your own efforts.

When you accept a theory without ever testing it you are not doing science you are doing religion.

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fazer1k · 56-60, M

Scienctific theory takes a wealth of factual evidence and draws conclusions from that evidence. Religion has no evidential basis at all. They are not comparable.

Some religious people desperately try to promote the idea that science and religion are comparable to justify some of their crackpot beliefs - like young earth, god creating man in his own image, evolution not being real, and so on.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@fazer1k Nice try but you are wrong. Most of what you think of as science is actually religion. In fact your statement is not science it is a statement of belief.

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fazer1k · 56-60, M

@hippyjoe1955 My statement is factual - not a single belief in sight.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@fazer1k It was pure belief and the scientism's statement of faith. If you don't realize that then you have blinkers on. Sad.

fazer1k · 56-60, M

@hippyjoe1955 Please point to any belief in my original post.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@fazer1k Read your post and point out the provable facts. They are simply statements of faith.

fazer1k · 56-60, M

@hippyjoe1955 The provable facts are all part of the science. Science uses evidence to draw conclusions. Religion postulates a god or gods for which there is no hard evidence at all.

The above is fact.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@fazer1k I agree that if you are trying to prove or disprove the theory you are engaging in science. However if you are simply coming up with a theory to explain what you observed and promoting said theory instead of trying to prove it you are not engaging in science. Most of what we know as science and scientific theories are not science at all. They are salesmanship.

fazer1k · 56-60, M

@hippyjoe1955 Science is about answering questions so both the aspects you suggest are part of the science. To start with a theory is to potentially introduce bias (as when governments are thought to fund scientists in the hope of getting an answer they want). Once enough evidence is found to allow scientists to hypothesize, future evidence will either support those hypotheses or suggest amendment. Scientists aren't selling anything. Rather they are just sharing their findings and what those findings suggest.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@fazer1k My but you are naive. In theory science is as you describe it. In reality science as it is practiced is as I describe it. As we used to say when I was paid to do research. "In theory, theory and reality are the same thing. In reality they are not."