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I Believe In The 2nd Amendment

I believe that the right to bear arms is inherent to humans. I also believe this to be a natural right that predates the Constitution. Therefore, in my mind, it isn't something that the government has granted me a specific right to by way of the declarations set forth in the amendment process of this country's Living Document. But rather that the 2nd amendment merely acknowledges that which is already ours. The right to defend ourselves as we each see fit.

If you would rather disarm yourself, so be it.
If you want cornflakes in the morning..., have at it.

But don't tell me that what works well for you is now to be superimposed upon everyone else so that you and yours can pretend that you are safer.

BTW - I like Lucky Charms and toast....

Oh, and before I forget to mention this:
I do not now, nor have I ever, owned any type of firearm.
Indeed I have only fired a handful of weapons under the guidance of others.

See..., I don't fit those leftist profiles....
Mostly because I am a Democrat on most domestic issues
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ozgirl512 · 31-35, F
Please, listen to yourself... Defend yourself?
How many thousands are killed in your country each year compared to other countries in western society?
You're looking each other, not defending yourself!
At least raise a legitimate argument that you like guns... That I can believe, but defending yourself?

Hogwash!
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walabby · M
@ozgirl512 Don't Americans need guns to defend themselves from all the Americans with guns??? ;)
HikingMan · 51-55, M
I do not own any guns. I have never owned any guns.

I still believe that the right to bear arms is an inherent right granted to all people by their right to live and survive.

The constitution didn't grant me that right. It was mine before I was born.

Fact of the matter is, there are currently over 300 million legally owned firearms in America. Banning them wont work without a ton of bloodshed before they're all confiscated.

Of all the gun related crimes in my country, 92% of that is done with illegal armaments. To outlaw guns in the United States would be to declare open war upon a mostly law abiding populace.

That's just straight up fact. No conjecture. No pussy footing around.

Are we really ready to go door to door against law abiding citizens in order to make 1/3rd of the country pretend that they are any safer ?

I think not.

Nor do I think any illegal gun owners will be subjugated to the search and seizures. After all, the government only knows for sure where the legal guns are.

The ones owned by responsible citizens.
SW-User
@HikingMan the guns that killed a classroom of six year olds as they tried to hide in a bathroom were legal. These 'guns' are designed for warfare - to kill the maximum number of people in the shortest space of time.

They succeed.

Is a personal fetish for dangerous things - worth the lives of babes?

Australians will never understand American fixation

You kill more family members than you defend

And your 'right to bear arms' seems to have no common sense limits

I find it ugly how quickly the dead are swept under the ground and what comes to the fore is a clamour of 'rights'
walabby · M
@SW-User I think that Americans watch too many of their own movies... :/
HikingMan · 51-55, M
Okay, so what needs to be realized is this:

Firstly, the person that committed the Sandy Hook school shooting was not the legal owner of the guns used there. Nor were those guns even semi-automatic. He was also a diagnosed mentally ill person with violent tendencies. His mom, who was killed with her own gun, should have never had guns kept inside the house with that specific dynamic as part of the family unit. Not to mention stored in a manner that allowed access to the son. The guns became illegal as soon as the son decided to take them. Still, I believe the fault lies with the mother. God rest her soul.

Secondly, the United States is not Australia.
When the mass shooting of 1996 happened there, that caused the voluntary cesaation of private gun ownership for certain guns, more people than not were on board with it.

That's quite a different set of circumstances than what is currently the American situation. Currently about 68% of people here believe in the right to bear arms.

Thirdly, as an inherent right predating our constitution, and given the facts that this country was not founded upon peaceable practices, but rather by the force of arms that were used to throw off the yoke of our oppressors, I find the second amendment to be acceptable. Furthermore I feel it to be something that most definitely predates the Constitution and therefore the government may issue controls, but not ban the right unilaterally. At least not without the majority of the populace on board.

In other western civilizations, the absence of guns have done little to stop the tide of killing. The means of delivery however have changed. Cars, knives, chemicals, bombs....

Just take a look at European homicide rates, where land borders are an issue.

There are 300 million legally owned firearms in this country. A ban, followed swiftly by a confiscation effort is quite likely to be brutally ugly and could very well spark an insurgent movement that could rip the foundation of the United States to literal shreds. Something that would be good for no one. The globe relies on the United States more tham many would like to believe.

On sovereign soil the government would be hard pressed to use military might to insure compliance. They could do it, but the consequences would be dire with just about a 65/35 split on the issue. Especially seeing as most favor private gun ownership.

It's no so much about what is right, as it is about what is best. It might be right to take away the guns of law abiding citizens. But it definitely would not be for the best. Especially considering that the estimated amount of illegal guns are just over half of the legally owned guns. While the government has access to the addresses of most legally owned firearms. They have very little insight to where all the illegal guns are. Therefore it would only result in the confiscation of legal guns of mostly law abiding peoples.

I'll say this once. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. And, while I have never owned a gun..., never sought out a gun..., and have only fired guns under the guidance and tutelage of others, I still agree with the conceptual understandings laid forth in the 2nd Amendment. The amendment merely acknowledges a preexisting right that was there long before our living document was created.

I am all for universal checks. I'm all for universal laws that will help curtail the legal purchase in one State and the subsequent illegal transfer selling to people unknown in other States. I am all for sensible restrictions such as automatic weapons bans, and higher penalties for those who skirt laws or transfer ownership without proper documentation, and/or muntion rationing.

While there is no doubt that firearms deaths in Australia have decreased substantially in the years since the implementation of the NFA, how much of that decrease is directly attributable to the NFA is still subject to debate. Much of that debate focuses on the fact that the gun death rate in Australia was already decreasing prior to the time the NFA was introduced. NFA-like plans wouldn’t necessarily achieve (and have not achieved) the same results in the United States, in large part because Australia’s geography makes it much easier to control the flow of arms into the country. Whereas the United States has 2 land borders.

The southern most being a typically notorious setting for illegal gun traffic (along with drug traffic). Add to that the reluctance of much of this country's citizenry to allow for the stemming of the tide of illegal immigration with forcible means at the Mexican border(which presents a myriad of issues), it's just a recipe for disaster.

Australia and Australians should be proud of their success to this point. However, any attempt to pretend that all variables between Australia and the United States are the same are simply short sighted amd completely misplaced.
HikingMan · 51-55, M
@walabby I think everyone everywhere watches too many of our movies.....
:p
SW-User
@HikingMan people kill people yes. Why give them the means to kill a pile of 19 children climbed over each other trying to hide in a school bathroom in mere seconds?

All so middle aged retirees in the burbs can fondle weapons of war? Of course things go wrong. That's why you have restrictions. How many mass shootings do you need to recognise this?
walabby · M
@HikingMan I do pretty much agree with your point of view. The reality is that gun ownership is too entrenched in the USA for any quick fix. A few things could surely be done, though, like, better scrutiny of people wanting to buy guns, restrictions on private sales, . . ???
SW-User
@walabby that's right - it would be interesting to know how many illegal guns were once legal in the USA. Also not many are arguing for total ban - just common sense. Even the NRA is recognising bump stocks should not be sold. I'd like to see some semis banned too
HikingMan · 51-55, M
Actually there are many people calling for a ban. A Senator even suggested striking the second amendment from the Constitution. Which is what inspired this post.

As I've stated somewhere in these replies, I am fine with sensible controls, and universally binding laws that cross State borders.
SW-User
@HikingMan We don't have a second amendment, yet people still have legal guns