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I Am An Mra

http://manboobz.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/

This is a great link to the thoughts and words of Paul Elam. Any MRA supporters out there care to comment ?
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JackBarnesMRA
" Show where it states in the bill "in black and white" that if this bill becomes law it "would require anyone accused of rape to present proof that they got consent...."
I already have. But since you obviously missed it or couldn't understand it I will explain it again in simple terms.

If a person accuses someone of a crime first they must prove that a crime took place. With rape its a little different in that they must prove that the they and the accused had some sort of sexual contact and that said sexual contact was nonconsensual. At least that's how it supposed to work. But we both know that more and more the burden of proof is being pushed onto the accused. But setting aside the violation of due process rights for now and for the sake of argument lets say that the accused should have to prove his innocence.
How would he go about proving his innocence?
A. Prove that no sexual contact took place.
Or.
B. That the sexual activity was consensual.

Lets look at B as it pertains to this bill.

" In the evaluation of complaints in the disciplinary process, it shall not be a defense that the accused believed that the complainant consented to the sexual activity under either of the following circumstances:"...... The accused did not take reasonable steps, in the circumstances known to the accused at the time, to ascertain that the complainant was consenting. ......"

According to this bill he would have to prove that he took reasonable steps to obtain consent in order to use consent as a defence.
JackBarnesMRA
" Show where it states in "black and white" that this bill actually applies to rape charges"
This bill would apply to college campus tribunals only...... for now.
Of course we have seen time and time again men found quilts in these tribunals and then the police would show that no crime occurred.
One man in Montana (I think) had to sue in order to be allowed to attend school because the campus tribunal had found him guilty of rape but the police found that the only crime that had been committed was a false police report filed by the accused. She fled the state.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Come back to me on Brian Banks please. Admit you lied.
JackBarnesMRA
What have I supposedly lied about now?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
You stated Brian Banks was convicted of rape on the word of his accuser only. That is a lie. Care to check up?
JackBarnesMRA
Brian banks plead quilts to crime he didn't commit because he was offered a deal. He knew he couldn't beat the charges against him even though he was innocent. A woman says that a man raped her. The chances of beating that are slim. So he took the deal.
He wouldn't have had to take the deal if he wasn't falsely accused of rape.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Would you have pleaded guilty if you were innocent?

Brian Banks convicted himself. You lied. Why not just apologise for getting it wrong again?