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[b][center][big]'Kate's Law': GOP could win big with bills addressing illegal immigration[/big][/center][/b]
On July 1, 2015 -- almost exactly two years ago to the day -- Kathryn Steinle was shot and killed while walking in San Francisco by an undocumented immigrant who had been deported from the U.S. multiple times after repeatedly entering the country illegally.

A law named for Kathryn, "Kate's Law," is one of two bills the U.S. House of Representatives is expected to consider on Thursday meant to both crack down on "sanctuary cities" and toughen penalties for those previously deported who re-enter or attempt to re-enter the country.

Kate Steinle was just one victim of a crime committed by an undocumented immigrant, and the stories of others like Kate -- those whose lives were ended by crimes committed by people who entered the U.S. illegally -- have found a prominent placement in the narrative of the downfalls of America's immigration system at the bedrock of President Trump's platform.

Many of these victims' families felt championed by the president's campaign agenda, and movement of these two bills through the House could mean Trump is one step closer to making good on his "law and order" promises he proudly touted throughout the 2016 election season.

Fathers like Jamiel Shaw and Steve Ronnebeck, whose sons were both gunned down by illegal immigrants, were invited by the Trump team to take part in campaign events. Jamiel Shaw appeared at the 2016 Republican National Convention to tell the story of his 17-year-old son's death, while Ronnebeck spoke at an August campaign rally in Phoenix, where he told a crowd of his son's being shot in the face while working a shift at a convenience store in Mesa, Ariz.


Sabine Durden's 30-year-old son, Dominic, was killed in 2012 while driving his motorcycle when an undocumented immigrant crashed into him with a pickup truck. Durden, like Jamiel Shaw, spoke of her son's death and the need for at the RNC.

"'I've been talking about my son's death since he was killed in 2012, and no one listened until Donald Trump," Durden said. "Donald Trump is not only my hero. He's my lifesaver."

Both "Kate's Law" and the "No Sanctuary for Criminals Act" are sponsored by GOP Rep. Bob Goodlatte, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee.

"We passed [Kate's Law] in the last Congress and it didn't go anywhere," Goodlatte recently told Fox News, "and we're hoping the Senate will take it up because it has such enormous public support."

[b][i]According to the Hill, Democrats will encourage members of their caucus to vote no on the bill cracking down on sanctuary cities, but will be less so pressing when it comes to "Kate's Law."[/i][/b]
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Northwest · M
So, these are two laws. Do you know the four laws that will be struck down, if these laws are passed? Half the arrests made by the Feds (total: 165,000) in fiscal 2014, were for immigration-related offenses (crossing illegally, or muling), that's 100% more than a decade earlier.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Northwest:

In case you didn't catch this piece of news, obama was NOT enforcing the laws. obama was also encouraging sanctuary cities and subverting the law.
All immigration agents were advised to look the other way.

If the president of the United States breaks the law, then all our laws are worthless.
Northwest · M
@lov2smile: The ACTUAL numbers are not consistent with your claim, but that's not news.

My question though was: The President promised to strike down two laws/regulations, for every law/regulation created. So, these are two ICE related laws. According to him, we have enough laws/regulations for now, and all we have to do is enforce them. So, what are the four existing laws that will be struck down, now that we will have these two new laws?
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Northwest:

And my point is, that obama didn't enforce the laws...so what the heck are you arguing about. I'm sure there are alot of stupid regulations that can be struck down without effecting the safety of the American people.
Northwest · M
@lov2smile: [quote]And my point is, that obama didn't enforce the laws[/quote]

If the Obama administration did not enforce the laws, then how did we end up with 165,000 immigration-related arrests in 2014 (double what we had in 2004)? Numbers speak louder than propaganda.

I'm sure there are a lot of stupid regulations, or in the case of these proposed laws, I wold say redundant.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Northwest:

You said: [i]"165,000 immigration-related arrests in 2014"[/i]

Sounds good on the books for people like you that didn't follow up with the rest of the story. Arrested? where did they go. obama ordered their release.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Northwest:

The first bill, called the “No Sanctuary for Criminals Act,” primarily aims to persuade local jurisdictions to [b]hold people in jail when asked to do so by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. [/b]Proponents in the Trump administration and elsewhere say releasing criminals who should be deported makes communities less safe, They add that asking a jail to hold someone for up to 48 hours is a reasonable request.

[i]([b]obama encouraged sanctuary cities to release criminals before Customs enforcement agency could take any action[/b])[/i]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-republicans-step-up-pressure-on-sanctuary-cities-1498730405?mod=cx_politics&cx_navSource=cx_politics&cx_tag=poptarget&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s
Northwest · M
@lov2smile:

[quote]You said: "165,000 immigration-related arrests in 2014"

Sounds good on the books for people like you that didn't follow up with the rest of the story. Arrested? where did they go. obama ordered their release.[/quote]

Are you on a vacation from reality, or do you simply make stuff up as you go?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/10/immigration-offenses-make-up-a-growing-share-of-federal-arrests/

No, these folks were arrested for criminal violations of federal immigration laws, and unless a major mess up happened, they received jail terms. Get the facts, instead of blaming Obama for all the imaginary stuff you think he did.
Northwest · M
@lov2smile: [quote][b][i](obama encouraged sanctuary cities to release criminals before Customs enforcement agency could take any action)[/i][/b][/quote]

Thank you for making this bold faced, it makes it easier to spot as a bold faced lie.

Sanctuary cities existed long before Obama, and they still exist today. Sanctuary city, also, does NOT mean that they cities have been releasing criminals, before action could be taken against them. That's a lie.

The “No Sanctuary for Criminals Act” bill, is useless. It is not about enforcing any laws, and is simply a politically motivated piece of legislation, that will do nothing, but produce paperwork. The lawyers will be very happy. Perhaps you should read it.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Northwest:

The only defense you have is to call the opposition liars. That's what is pathetic.

Your link is not credible. It's from a liberal source.
Trouble with liberals is they know know as much as they think they know
Northwest · M
@lov2smile: You made this claim:

[quote](obama encouraged sanctuary cities to release criminals before Customs enforcement agency could take any action)[/quote]

I called you on it. It's a bold faced lie. Provide sources for your claim.

[quote]Your link is not credible. It's from a liberal source. [/quote]

😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

The Pew Research Center is a non-credible liberal source? Stop embarrassing yourself, please, it's painful to read.

[quote]Trouble with liberals is they know know as much as they think they know[/quote]

Yes, really, I wonder who's ill informed here. Why don't you tell us again about those bleeding heart liberals at the Pew Research Center. What a joke!
TexChik · F
@lov2smile: precisely , the
Presidents job is to enforce the law , not choose which he will ignore
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Northwest:

The joke is on you. [b]Every single time I would give you a link...you ALWAYS came back and told me the link is not credible.

Now, you can't have it both ways.[/b]

As I've said many times already...I do not deny that arrests were made. Hello?

obama ordered the release of said criminals shortly after the arrest.

Let me repeat

I do not deny that arrests were made.
obama ordered the release of said criminals shortly after the arrest.

I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand it
Northwest · M
@lov2smile: [quote]Every single time I would give you a link...you ALWAYS came back and told me the link is not credible.[/quote]

... and that's a lie all by itself. When I read the news, I use my brain and check for validity.

[quote]obama ordered the release of said criminals shortly after the arrest.

Let me repeat

I do not deny that arrests were made.
obama ordered the release of said criminals shortly after the arrest.[/quote]

You really need to start by understanding what you're responding to.

I specifically quoted this:

[quote](obama encouraged sanctuary cities to release criminals before Customs enforcement agency could take any action[/quote]

and told you it was a lie. It's a lie. Provide sources.

The Pew Research Center is liberal institution? I'm still laughing.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Northwest:

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency in 2015 decided not to deport but release 19,723 criminal illegal immigrants, including 208 convicted of murder, over 900 convicted of sex crimes and 12,307 of drunk driving, according to new government numbers.

Overall, those released into virtually every state and territory of America had a total of 64,197 convictions among them, for an average of 3.25 convictions each, according to an analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies. ICE also said that the group were convicted of 8,234 violent crimes.

Meanwhile, ICE said that it has also slashed the number of criminals arrested in local communities, according to the Center's Director of Policy Studies, Jessica M. Vaughan. "In 2015, ICE made 119,772 arrests, or just half the number of arrests made in 2013, 232,287," she said in her analysis that also included a map of the releases.

[b][u]The reason: Under President Obama's immigration policy changes, many criminal immigrants are being ignored even though local police and sheriff have urged ICE to take control of criminals in their jails and deport them.[/u][/b]

[b][u]She said that the slash of arrests is why the number of releases by ICE is down. In 2014, 30,000 criminal illegals were released[/u][/b].

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on Thursday is holding a hearing on the issue of the releases. In a preview of the issues in the hearing, the committee said, "Each year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement releases tens of thousands of criminal aliens eligible for deportation. After release, many go on to commit additional crimes. With new restrictions on immigration enforcement through the president's executive actions, only narrow classes of removable aliens are priorities for arrest, questioning, detention, or removal. Therefore, millions of removable aliens will be able to remain in the country."

ICE for the first time explained why the illegals were released, with more than half ordered free by courts and in over 2,100 cases because their home countries didn't want them back.

The issue of released criminal illegal immigrants has erupted on the presidential campaign trail and in Congress, especially because several have gone on to commit further crimes, including murder. Republican front runner Donald Trump, for example, refers to the 2015 murder of Kate Steinle by a released criminal undocumented immigrant on a popular San Francisco pier.

"When ICE releases criminal aliens instead of deporting them, the chances are high that the aliens will re-offend. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, approximately 71 percent of violent offenders, 77 percent of drug offenders, and 82 percent of property offenders will be arrested for a new crime within five years of release from jail or prison. Drunk drivers are especially prone to offend repeatedly. According to an FBI statistic cited by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, the average drunk driver has driven drunk 80 times before ever being arrested."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ice-releases-19723-criminal-illegals-208-convicted-of-murder-900-of-sex-crimes/article/2589785

[b]I await your typical denial[/b].
Just because YOU say it's a lie, doesn't make it true.
Northwest · M
@lov2smile: Don't look now, but you provided a strawman argument, and gave your own answer to it. Love your use of bold, to bolster the claims of whoever that is.