I Support The Police

@senghenydd

Your sentiments were already highlighted within this thread's Author's original post.

What I am not quite following here, is the 'point' of your own post in response.

In all honesty, I think you personally have issues with the Police, but I think you have missed the point of the original statement within the Author's post.

@swirlie I agree you are right the Author did admit there are officers who are bad eggs we/I can't forgot the bad eggs, Social Media Web sites provides the opportunity to put pen to paper and if the Police don't like what I have to say I suggest they consult their Solicitors my [b][u]Mother was murdered by a British Police Officer[/u][/b]

@senghenydd

OK, point taken. Would you be prepared to tell your mother's story here, or would you prefer not?

@swirlie No I don't wish to say to much about it there was a Police Officer in my town who had a Mental illness he beat up a great deal of people who all died of their injuries it was covered up but there are too many people who would come forward and tell their individual stories of their lost relatives so it can be proved beyond any doubt. I'll be sensible and leave it at that Mom died just over thirty years ago it still gives me a bad taste in the mouth what a terrible thing to happen in any family.

@senghenydd

I can certainly appreciate the position you find yourself in today over this tragedy, senghenydd. Where do you stand 30 years later in terms of 'forgiveness' toward all involved here? Is that a concept that is beyond your realm of acceptance right now?

@swirlie No I can't forgive people like that the world of Mental Illness is a world I avoid I intend to stay as far away from that now retired officer as possible he's now a wheel chair user life has caught up with him, I'm so pleased it has it's a shame he has use of his hands anyway there you are most things I can forgive but not a murder of a loved one, my Mom never harmed a soul it wasn't in her to do bad to anyone harm this is the sort of News reports we all see and hear on Tv I suppose it's the dark side of life I'm a Christian however I simply cannot forgive that Guy/Police Officer, anyway off I go now thanks for listening to my story I'm only surprised there isn't any other stories like mine on this Social Media site.

@senghenydd

I understand what you are saying senghenydd, but when you say that it surprises you that there isn't any other stories like your's, how can you expect others to tell the details of their story when you are just as reluctant to do the same when asked to do so by me?

Maybe those hundreds of hidden stories have a history that most people don't want to reveal, no differently than your own story.

Maybe those same Christians have taken the same exception to Church Doctrine that you have arbitrarily taken when it served you, to 'not' forgive that mentally ill Police Officer.

From a true Christian's standpoint, to 'not forgive' is NOT an option made readily available to you when those special 'non-forgiving' circumstances suddenly pop up in your life which you have chosen to be both judge and jury for! Let's be very clear on the interpretation of what Christianity and being "Christian" as you put it, actually means in truth.

Your intent of thought therefore, seems to be contradicting itself with all due respect, therefore we cannot point the finger at the Police Officer involved with your story. Nor can we point the finger at others on this website who have stories that are just like your's, but which they too do not reveal the details of, for perhaps the same reason you have chosen. But to declare oneself a "Christian" on one hand, but then dismiss any act of violence as being non-forgivable on the other hand, is nothing more than a blasphemous contradiction of terms.

You need to stop using the words "Christian" and "cannot forgive" in the same sentence from here on in, if you intend to be authentic with your word.

@swirlie I believe in God and the Lord Jesus I attend church on a regular basis I like attending my church it brings meaning to my life from my heart I cannot forgive that Police Officer for murdering a loved one who was my Mom bear in mind my Mom wasn't the only one he went on and on and I wouldn't think any less of a victim like my self in a similar circumstance I really think we have discussed this enough now I will put this to rest for the time being, although I must admit it does me some good to discuss it from time to time it will never go away always be somewhere in my thoughts until the day I die.

@senghenydd

I understand completely where you are coming from, senghenydd.

Although I have not experienced an act of violence imposed upon my own family as you have described, I do work with teenagers on a volunteer basis who have been victims themselves of domestic violence. A large percentage of them leave the lifetime before they are 20 as a direct result of their violent encounter. At that point, I then focus my attention on the parents who in some cases, were the victimizer(s) no differently than our mentally ill Police Officer in question.

In the case of your mother, the Police Officer's actions were random acts of violence imposed upon people unrelated to him and whom perhaps he never even knew personally.

In the case of my teenaged friends, many of whom are now deceased, their own parents victimized them in over 80% of the cases, usually the father, although he is not usually classified as being 'mentally ill' in the vast majority of cases.

If ever it was the mother who was the victimizer, it was almost always because she had a history of varying degrees of mental illness herself throughout her lifetime. It is extremely rare for a female to bring harm to children, particularly her own.

As you continue to attend Church as you always have on a regular basis, something I would like you to take a closer look at while you are in Church, is the true meaning as well as the true intent of the word 'forgiveness'.

Something that is not usually taught to us in Church, is 'whom' the act of forgiveness we extend is actually intended FOR. Most people think that if I asked you to forgive that Police Officer, I am actually asking you to 'let him off the hook' so-to-speak, by saying "I forgive you, let's pretend it didn't happen and I hope you live happily ever-after!". Not so.

That is actually 'not' what forgiveness is about...

Forgiveness extended toward the Police Officer for example, is NOT about releasing HIM, it is actually about releasing 'yourself' from the situation or the event in question.

When you therefore say out loud as you sit alone in an empty room with the Police Officer pictured in your mind, "I forgive you for what you did to my mother", you are actually releasing YOURSELF from the chains that have held you back. You are not releasing the Police Officer in question, because only God can do that in truth, and eventually God Will.

When Jesus says to "forgive thy brother for his actions", Jesus is talking about your OWN release from the chains that bind you, not your brother's release from the chains he has brought to himself.

You will find that if you practice 'forgiveness' toward those around you for minor incidents for example, you will immediately feel a sudden 'release' inside of yourself as soon as you openly say "I forgive you" silently TO yourself.

When the day eventually arrives in this lifetime where you are able to bring yourself to 'forgive' that Police Officer in a similar way as I have described, you will also 'feel' that very same 'release' inside of yourself, even though nothing changes between him and your mother and of course God.

Try practice-forgiveness on small occurrences that happen in your day-to-day life and see what I mean about the experience you suddenly 'feel' inside of yourself through extending forgiveness to those around you. If a person is rude, forgive them immediately. If a person steps on your toe, forgive them immediately. If someone insults you, forgive them immediately.

Just remember, it's not about releasing 'them'; it's all about releasing 'yourself'! Try it! Start today!

Start by forgiving me for not seeing your story in the same light that you have experienced it ..and then come back here and tell me how you feel afterwards...

@swirlie I will certainly give some thought to what you have said I certainly wish I could be as forgiven as you are I must admit that's a long way from where I have been regarding this however lets not go on and on about this I do however wish you all the best and hope you inspire others to do the right thing by example I will discuss this with my elders at my church when I get the opportunity shortly. All The Best Seng

I didn't think we were going on and on about this, Seng. I thought the reason you brought this forward for discussion was to bring some closure for yourself. Obviously, you are not seeking closure. Good luck in church!

@swirlie Yes Many thanks for your interesting conversation I will consider what we have discussed and yes the church is something special. All The Best and have a good life.