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Apparently the Salvation Army treats homeless people like shit?

Someone told me not to donate to them recently because of this, and I had to do some research because I mean, you can't trust someone on just their word. Apparently, according to multiple sources, the Salvation Army don't seem to care much about the people they are out there to help...

Anyone know more about this here? Also, anyone know any alternative charities for homeless people?
GlassDog · 41-45, M Best Comment
There's a bit of a vibe about the Salvation Army in my country (England) that they look down on the homeless and see themselves as superior in some way. The homeless people I know (which included myself for a short period) are not especially keen. But then, the same is true of many shelters and charities. Being homeless is such a strange, altered state of reality that I think it's hard for people to understand the motivations and feelings of people who are.

I don't see any problem in giving to charities, but if you give money directly to homeless people and sit down and have a chat with them about general things (and treat them as a human), you'll make a real difference. Although they get used to people ignoring them and pretending they don't even exist, it does make a nice change when someone treats you as a normal person who has problems, the same as the rest of us.
NigelDoes · 56-60, M
I love this post. Spot on.
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@GlassDog: I love this. I have a desire to help people like that.
GlassDog · 41-45, M
@TearDropsOfLove: It's really heartening that people feel this way! :)

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For some people, not tolerating their bullshit is enough to be translated into being treated like 'shit'.
I have never heard this about them and they do a lot to help their local communities.
Sure a lot of stuff is donated and they use volunteers, but what charity doesn't?
wetncthru · F
@justmerae: Oh, OK = thanks.
NorthernRoses · 22-25, F
@justmerae: I don't know, some of the homeless people who have spoken about the SA seem to imply that people get kicked out over the smallest of things. Then again, you can never truly trust anyone's word as people tend to lean towards their own favor... 🤔
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@NorthernRoses: I do not know it is possible.
I have help from them a couple of times for heating costs and they were not rude.
I know they do in fact pay the bell ringers it is minimum wage and of course seasonal.
They do employ people who have a hard time finding employment through their thrift stores and they have food and clothing banks. The one where I use to live had what they called "free" rummage sales, everything was free to those in the community who need the items.
I spent some time homeless, and a lot of shelters have staff that are pretty judgmental towards homeless people. Some assume that your homelessness stems from some moral shortcoming or personality flaw. Problem is, with a few exceptions, usually, they're right.
@bookerdana: Thanks ya'll! You've given my morning a good start!
bookerdana · M
Thats the only way to start a morning :)
wetncthru · F
@puck61: The expression snouts in the trough comes to mind .... NO, NOT the service users, but these angels in the vanguard of charitable capitalism.
hunkalove · 61-69, M
They are a Christian organization spouting fear and hate and very judgemental. I put change in their baskets at Xmas, but that's all. I think the Salvation Army exists mostly for the Salvation Army.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@hunkalove: I won't even do that.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
"Someone" is not a reliable source, maybe you could go and look at some of the services they offer and then make a judgement call on the salvation army
NorthernRoses · 22-25, F
@nedkelly: You must've accidentally read through my question too quickly. As I wrote, "someone" told me, I believed they weren't a reliable source, so I checked out other, more believable sources.
wetncthru · F
I have heard from several sources they are more/most concerned with generating income from their properties ... as paid directly in the form of their homeless clients benefits going directly to the SA and the client getting what is left. 99% of the food/clothes they give out are donated. The footsoldirs/tin shakers are unpaid volunteers. An "effective" business model? Oh yes, I think so. But for whom? Follow the money!!!!
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@wetncthru: They do pay the people here?
wetncthru · F
@justmerae: Oh the fat cat bosses of charities rarely perish from malnutrition, hypothermia or having to fly tourist class.
I have only heard good things about them. I still donate to them.
Carla1951 · 70-79, F
Have you ever been to a 'Salvation Army?' To see the clothes donated? Do you have any clue the profits made? From your donations?
2years ago I was planning a trip north. I picked out a heavy coat. The price was $20.00 but I felt I would need it...And changed my mind MID transaction. The cashier refused to give me my money back. I will NEVER cross their door again! I hadn't left the building... still at the register and I wasn't given the opportunity to get a refund.
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Donate to a place that helps woman and children.
wetncthru · F
@NorthernRoses: Of course ... I am just being facetious .... Charities and their "mishandling" of our charity really gets me veeeeeeeeeeeery pissed off. I have seen FAR too much of it.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@wetncthru: Charities are big business, existing primarily for the benefit of those at the top running them.
wetncthru · F
@suzie1960: I AGREE. 100% .... They run them on traditional corporate models and we all know where their corporate profits go .... Senior managements "running costs", shareholders and syphoning off-shore. Many charities merely have similar variations.
Carla1951 · 70-79, F
If you want to help, try occasionally cleaning out your pantry. Donate cans and boxed foods. Search through your child's Toy Box and take these to a homeless shelter.
My personal believe is that it's harder for the children to adjust.
I never had to move a lot. I always remained in the same place.
I do have a "local" trade/exchange group. It's free to join makes it easier to get rid of items you no longer use. WWW.Freecycle.Org. Every city should have this. You can ask for or offer items. They come to you to pick up. Arrangements are made via email.
Squizz5 · 51-55, M
The Salvation Army are always out helping the homeless in Australia
wetncthru · F
@Squizz5: While NOT in all, but in many of the large/international charities, inefficiency, promotion (more perks) and simple, raw, blatant corruption on an industrial scale are how may I say delicately ..... "not unknown".
Squizz5 · 51-55, M
Sounds like the top brass need a shake up, who's going to give to a charity that aren't very charitable
wetncthru · F
@Squizz5: Oh, your innocence is so sweet.
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wetncthru · F
@GypsyKing: Against all the rules + regulations (and my own reservations) I have given several of them (quite generously) for cash and meals-in-hand work. I have never sought their gratitude, but they have, without there so to be 1 exception, capable, diligent, reliable and honest. I believe a persons pride does NOT have to be taken with them to some of the darker places they might so to find themselves.
spanner350 · 51-55, M
In aust. They are good people and do good so. I can't say

 
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