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How many mass shootings?

Would force a change in our society? (USA)
What if it becomes once weekly or every other day.Could this be the new normal? Will we accept this?
TeresaRudolph71 · 51-55, F Best Comment
I was going to ask what change you were hoping for, but I see that someone else has asked that and you said you would like to see us go back to once again being shocked by mass killings. So I guess the answer would be if killings once again became more rare.

Though I know that some, perhaps many, people here disagree with me about this, I personally am tired of seeing people blame guns for this. I know, if guns didn't exist, people couldn't shoot each other. But guns are here to stay. No laws are going to get rid of them, and criminals would just obtain them illegally anyway (and some probably already do). The thing that some people seem to forget is that guns are nothing new in America. They've been around since the days of the old west. But mass shootings are somewhat more new. So what happened? Is anyone actually interested in looking at the real causes of violence? (This includes bombings and other types of murders as well, by the way). Some things that are relatively new would include: Certain psychiatric medications that may have negative and possibly dangerous side effects. The general cheapening of human life, caused by society's acceptance of many things that were not considered socially acceptable 50 years ago. And possibly some other things that a lot of people aren't comfortable talking about.

Bottom line: We need to dig deep and find the real cause of the problem, and do something about that. Trying to ban guns is actually a distraction from this, not an honest effort to prevent more killings.

One more thing: Whenever people react to a shooting by saying this is yet another example of why guns need to be outlawed, I can't help feeling as though the deaths of those people who have been killed are being exploited to promote a political agenda. How much do we actually hear about those people who were killed? Do we even remember their names? Does anyone actually care about what the world lost when they died? Or are they more interested in using their deaths as ammunition in their fight to ban guns? It kind of disgusts me. If we do care about those people, and others whose lives might be lost, then I hope that people can start focusing on the real cause of the problem (what caused certain people to become killers), so more lives won't be lost - if people really care about that. But then, life is cheap. Those people who have been killed are apparently just numbers, to some anyway. 🤷‍♀️☹️

Sorry for the extra long response. Those are just my thoughts on the subject.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@TeresaRudolph71 I agree the most with your post but, I also think that strengthening gun laws would be a good addition as well.
Funny that when I say that "something" needs to be done people mostly automatically jump into assuming that I want to take away guns or something. This proves that honest political conversation surrounding the issue is a difficult thing.
Everyone is defensive on both sides. We need change. To go on this way and just say, "oh well" is not acceptable. We are too great of a nation to have this as a regular occurrence. It is within our power to work together at every aspect of the causes and work together on solutions.
TeresaRudolph71 · 51-55, F
@REMsleep I did see, in one of your other comments, that you don't want to take away everyone's guns. Sadly, some people seem to want that, and I was reacting to that.

It's true, people do seem to get defensive about this. I would agree that there need to be restrictions on gun ownership, including background checks and possibly a psychological evaluation. We also need to make sure that the laws that are already in place are properly enforced. And people need to be careful that the guns they own don't fall into the wrong hands. So I think there's a lot that we can do. I just think that things are a little more complicated than some people seem to think.

By the way, thanks for Best Answer.
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Gamalon · 31-35, M
I think the solution (it one exists) needs to be a bipartisan multi tiered approach. Personally I believe guns need to go. I have never liked them. But we also have to stop the person behind the attacks. This would mean several things in the long run but to start:
1. News media on the right, left, libertarian, socialist, and all other ideologies need to stop inciting anger and fear into mankind. The Shooter IS the Villan. But how much hate disseminates from 24hr news cycles?
2. Mental health needs to be seen as a positive thing. Not a negative thing. We should encourage good social behavior in school not just State testing common core BS.
3. Gun permits SHOULD stay in the hands of ppl of good character. But also
4. Guns should be fingerprint compatible. 1 person should fire 1 gun. That way we KNOW who the shooter is and a good person’s gun is not used by his or her crazed friend relative.
5. We need to value our communities more. We have grown so isolationist that we only converse with our world when we have to. And we tend to hate our neighbors vs love our neighbors.
6. Politicians themselves have to tone down the rhetoric. And for now 7. We need families to love again.

Idealistic, unrealistic I know but we need to heal our society by doing what we can for each other.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Gamalon I agree with alot of what you said except finger print gun technology would be extremely limiting and I don't think we need to go that far. So many older guns exist so it would be useless anyway.
Th1nkF1rst · 70-79, M
@Gamalon I could argue with you about this for hours/days but I'm having a good weekend... So you do the same!
Gamalon · 31-35, M
@Th1nkF1rst No worries dood. If we disagree we disagree. Hope your day continues well.
If Sandy Hook couldn't force a change then I don't know what will.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Th1nkF1rst Confiscation of guns isn't the solution, nor is is what is proposed. But certain types of weapons, designed with the sole purpose of killing large numbers of people quickly, have no place in the hands of citizens. We had a ban on them before, and it worked. We need to do it again, and do universal background checks, along with more red flag laws. We'll never do away with mass killings completely, but we can certainly reduce them significantly.
Th1nkF1rst · 70-79, M
@InOtterWords [quote] But 3 children a day die from gunshots [/quote]

[sep]@InOtterWords
please site your source for this "fact"
@Th1nkF1rst Here are two, but there are many others that support this statistic.


https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/140/1/e20163486


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3231754002

Sadly it is a fact
SteelHands · 61-69, M
The change occurred. There were virtually 0 mass shootings before the loss of community. Before family unity became a dirty word. Before faith in God became absurd.

You wanted this. You asked for this. You are only getting what you want.

You made your beds.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
There's only one thing left to do.


Pray
Th1nkF1rst · 70-79, M
@GERRI
Lots of reality isn't wanted, 👎🏻👎🏾👎🏼👎🏿
but it's all we got! 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏻‍♀️
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@Th1nkF1rst I would have preferred you not unblock me if you can't do that you should have at least stayed away from my conversations kid.

Bye bye.
JT123 · M
Well someone dies every 6 seconds from repeat Drunk drivers and no one has put control on sale of alcohol to repeat DUI offenders! You can't stop the hatred in peoples hearts by controlling innocent gun owners just like you can't keep repeat DUI drivers off the road by controlling my beer intake!
There is no number. We love our guns much more than we do our children. That has been proven with Sandy Hook, Parkland; just two of the most prolific school shootings with 28 & 17 deaths, respectively. In other countries, 1 mass shooting was enough to implement major changes. We’ve had something like 334 per year since 2014 and are really no closer to any significant changes. So based upon the actions of our government, we must not consider it important.
GERRI · 51-55, F
@bijouxbroussard we love our guns more than we love our children? that's the position you stand on? Hmmm, well then I guess the women in this country must love their careers, life-styles of no responsibilities or what have you because we sure do abort enough lives in this country
@GERRI Don’t comment on my posts, please. You clearly didn’t understand what I was saying and are trying to piggyback your own sexist issues onto it.
curiosi · 61-69, F
Society refuses to see the problems and wishes only to blame the guns.
@curiosi Kinda hard to kill 59 people and wound dozens more with a knife or with your hands and feet.
Gamalon · 31-35, M
@curiosi And this is the other side of the Coin. What I addressed in my post is that not just that gun murder is bad but that ALL murder is bad. We need to fight our human nature and build up our society so that ALL violence goes down. Guns are unstoppable while Knives and others can be kindaaa stopped but its the human’s psyche that we need to work on now.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Gamalon So true
TheunderdogofNY · 36-40, M
No such thing as normal since things are constantly changing and eveolving. Have we become numb to it? Probably. But the remedies proposed are not fair or reasonable to law abiding citizens. Discussions will continue to be had but I don't see any true resolution.

Anyone with a gun can decide to go off at any given time. This is fact.
@TheunderdogofNY not selling to people who have mental problems or are already on a terrorist watch list is unfair? Background checks are unfair?
Th1nkF1rst · 70-79, M
@TheunderdogofNY

Anyone can decide Anything!
But luckily, rational thought prevails!
@Th1nkF1rst That didn't mean anything. Is it important to you that dangerous people in our society have the right to buy a gun. Like people who have threatened their spouse and have a restraining order against them do you think they should still get the right to buy as many guns and ammo as they want?
gregloa · 61-69, M
What change, take away our freedom?
nedkelly · 61-69, M
How many people have been killed on the road in traffic accidents, drug deaths
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@nedkelly Its not the same. Murder will always be in a different category than accidental death. Legally and morally there is no comparison.
@REMsleep Cars were not made to kill people and the safety of cars is always improving.
Profit over safety.
GERRI · 51-55, F
what change "in society" are you looking for?
GERRI · 51-55, F
@REMsleep Oh I'm sure you weren't--- just so many people believe the guns are the problem... Guns or no guns-- whatever the hate is among us will remain
gregloa · 61-69, M
Everyone is shocked @REMsleep
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@gregloa I'm not shocked. I think that many aren't as interested anymore which another person here today just independently meantioned on another question. My husband wanted to watch the news. Sad as it is I just don't really want to keep hearing the same stories in different places. Analyzing some wierdo for days, posting people's last texts or live video. I hate this but I'm growing over it.
SW-User
Something should have been done when 20 kids were murdered at Sandy Hook. But since that didn’t cause a change nothing will.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
Aren't there mass shootings every week. Chicago, Baltimore, etc?
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@eli1601 Some may disagree but I find drug related deaths and gun violence tied to gangs to be awful but vastly different than mass shootings. Number 1 I don't feel really sad for those who die due to being involved in drugs or gangs. From the Italian mafia to the Mexican cartel to the Japanese Yakuza to the Bloods and Crips that's the life that they signed up for and they benefit from that life until the risk outlays the reward.
Even if an innocent dies due to gang violence this is terrible but understandable. They are casualties of war.
Mass shootings are something else. Indiscriminate, the neighborhood does not matter, the lifestyle you live does not matter and the element of fear due to the sporadic nature of these crimes is what is so shocking. Also seeing 20 or more shot of our streets, schools, theaters in broad daylight is something out of a dystopian future novel.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
@REMsleep You don't think any innocents are killed in the big cities?
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@eli1601 I already meantioned that they are but it's one by one and localized to certain areas and they are usually unfortunate casualties of drug war that while terrible makes some sense. Mass shootings are random and en mass.
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REMsleep · 41-45, F
@JAYS21 Somebody always comes on here asking this type of rude highly ignorant question and each time I have to respond and I'm losing more patience.
People such as yourself have a chip on their shoulders regarding gun rights and are not prone to productive conversation. Why are you asking about abortion when it is not related to my question?
Are you making assumptions about all of my other views because I hate mass shootings and there was one in my area on the day I posted this question.
I hate abortion. I had a conversation with my husband while dating that even if I was raped I would never have an abortion. Even if I was warned that the baby might kill me in birth or would be a vegetable, I will sacrifice. Why dont you anwser what was asked or get off this post.
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REMsleep · 41-45, F
@JAYS21 I meantioned to another poster here that I am extremely against abortion. What does that have to do with my question?
Two evils do not make one good.
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REMsleep · 41-45, F
@JAYS21 I also did not advocate for any particular laws. I do think that we could make some additional laws but the main issues are not directly related to guns.
Doomflower · 36-40, M
I am numb to it. I can't care. Maybe I will die.
Th1nkF1rst · 70-79, M
@Doomflower
I promise you will ...
Everyone gets to! 😐

The great sad promise of life is that it will eventually end! 🥀
Yea it is unfortunate the land that we call the USA - is made up of and filled with garbage from every corner of the world. So I do understand how the filthy peasants from shithole countries would bring their violent ways to America. Its really too bad.
SW-User
Sometimes I hate England (Britain) we're in a mess and our government is awful.
But I'm really thankful we have strict gun laws.
Not much we can do about it
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Nunlover Is that really true? I dunno
@REMsleep you got any ideas? I'm drawing a blank tbh
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Nunlover The solutions have nothing much to do with guns I think.
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
It's averaging 2 a day now... There is no limit!
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@ozgirl512 I'm not sure that it's quite so high. I'm only referring to mass shootings?
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
@REMsleep that's the figure I saw quoted ... As to its truth... That's all I can say... From CBS News...As of Aug. 5, which was the 217th day of the year, there have been 255 mass shootings in the U.S., according to data from the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive (GVA), which tracks every mass shooting in the country.
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REMsleep · 41-45, F
@waleskinder Not sure of the message. Maybe you think that my question is being dramatic?
strongbow · 46-50, M
Better parenting and less media coverage would help but you'll never see changes in those two aspects, so we deal with it
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Th1nkF1rst · 70-79, M
@REMsleep oh!😲😟
I didn't know that!
Sorry! 😢[u][/u]

And I don't do TV at all
and haven't read the news yet the afternoon!

 
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