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Skeptics, can you really explain these miracles? [Spirituality & Religion]

https://youtu.be/Y57VUN2TO5M

You know where I stand.

Even if we accept the premise that miracles are real. That doesn't in any way immediately mean it is the Christian god or that he had any input at all. Christians are nowhere near the only religion to claim miracles and attribute them to their god or gods and goddesses. Many even predate Christianity by a few thousand years.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]That doesn't in any way immediately mean it is the Christian god or that he had any input at all. [/quote]

You want to tell those people that? BTW, I'm not religious.

LordShadowfire · M

@GodSpeed63 [quote]BTW, I'm not religious.[/quote]
Ha!

Sharon · F

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote] Many even predate Christianity by a few thousand years.[/quote]
Actually, [b]most[/b] religions predate christianity. Some of the teachings of those religions are what christianity is based on. That's why it has so many contradictions - different religions have different beliefs. Nothing in christianity is truely original.

CopperCicada · M

The thing is-- people of all faith traditions claim that miracles exist.

So we reach a fork in the road. We have to either evaluate everyone's claims of miracles and determine that everyone's is false except those in our own faith tradition. Which is fairly ridiculous. As there is great uniformity of miracle claims. People being healed, performing super-physical acts. Great synchronicities.

Or we accept that the claims of miracles are really not very important when it comes to spirituality. Which is sort of my view. Every faith tradition claims miracles. It is evidently part of human experience for some reason. Maybe God is that pervasive in influence. Or maybe it is part of human nature or how reality works.

The real miracles are inner miracles. Developing love and compassion. Ridding oneself of selfishness.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

The entire video is just some guy speaking, I thought I was actually going to see miracles but you're just believing anecdotal evidence. Some dude said this woman said this supposedly happened isn't evidence of anything.

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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@LordShadowfire I don't throw pearls before swine. Someone Special cautioned me about that.

LordShadowfire · M

@hippyjoe1955 No need of that. Just be prepared for no one to believe your narrative. I myself have seen some shit nobody believes, which is why I am not going to say there's no afterlife.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Emosaur I'm glad I'm not charismatic enough to be a cult leader, it's way to easy to take advantage of Christians who believe everything they hear.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

Unexplained means unexplained.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@CountScrofula Not simply 'unexplained' also impossible occurrence. A fellow driving his truck walked away after a log went through the windshield of his pickup taking out the steering wheel and the driver's seat that he was seat belted into. He walked away without a scratch. Miracle or unexplained. You be the judge.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955 Yeah you're right this is clear proof that Vishnu interceded in mortal affairs.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

Yesterdays miracles are today's everyday commonalities.

What we do not understand today will be quite common in the future.

No further explanation needed.

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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@GodSpeed63 there will always be things we don't understand. Yet when and IF we do they will no longer be miracles.

Just a clarification.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@DeWayfarer [quote]Yet when and IF we do they will no longer be miracles.[/quote]

When that day comes is when we'll be before God.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@GodSpeed63 we will be what we have always been. Just better informed.

And why no further explanation is needed.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

The only one who believes that is you. You keep posting that crap. As a Christian I haven't even heard of this before you posted it and I have no intention of believing any of it should I even decide to watch it. You are a bit of a bigot aren't you? Lumping all Christians into on category without evidence.

TheBannibalOne · 61-69, M

It is hard to do though.
Some strange things occur.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@TheBannibalOne [quote]It is hard to do though.[/quote]

Thank you for being honest.

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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Graylight [quote]I wouldn't have an example because I don't believe in them.[/quote]

Then how do you explain those people's experiences? What would you be telling them?

Graylight · 51-55, F

@GodSpeed63 Again, even anecdotal evidence (personal accounts) requires a certain amount of verifiable data.

Names
Dates
Locations
Witnesses
Details regarding the situation before said miracle
Demonstrable, verified changes
Alternatives presented and disproven

You're free to believe in miracles, and I'm not one to say they absolutely do or do not exist, but you need to proceed what you say with "I believe," since no miracle has ever been proven to science's satisfaction.

Sharon · F

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Then how do you explain those people's experiences? [/quote]
The Flying Spaghetti Monster did it. You know the FSM lives, you've proven it yourself by failing to prove that It doesn't. r'Amen.

LordShadowfire · M

I am not watching a two-hour YouTube video.

Sharon · F

@LordShadowfire Most like just two hours of BS propaganda. That's one of his little tricks. I've wasted too much time watching christian propaganda videos dishonestly misrepresented as "proof".

[i]"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."[/i]
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