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Right or Wrong in the Creation/Evolution Debate [Spirituality & Religion]

There is a mindset within mainstream Evangelicalism that it doesn’t matter who is right, so long as everyone treats everyone well and that we all agree on essentials. In fact, some people go so far as to argue that when person X and person Y hold contradictory positions on an issue, both positions must be accepted as orthodox, unless they are “essential” issues. This mindset has even crept into the creationist camp, with one recent book arguing that we should “play for a draw” with the old earth compromisers.1 While this would be the easier path for Christians, Jesus does not call his followers to an easy path.
In the creation/evolution debate, only one group can be right. The literal Bible and evolution are fundamentally incompatible, no matter what compromised groups such as BioLogos attempt to argue. It therefore logically follows that if only one answer is right, the others are wrong. Yet Wheaton professor and BioLogos contributor John Walton fails to acknowledge this principle. Regarding a colleague who disagreed, Walton wrote, "Rather than suggest that my colleague was wrong, I would assert that while both positions were logical and sought to be faithful to Scripture, I considered my view to offer a preferable interpretation that enjoyed the support of a preponderance of the evidence. In my mind that did not make his view wrong, only less probable. Consequently, I would not suggest that someone holding his view should be considered unfaithful to the Word, heretical in their conclusions, or un-Christian, and thus excluded from the fellowship of the church. Yet those are exactly the sorts of things that people holding a view like his (though not he himself) would say about me and others who hold views similar to mine. I do not attack them as wrong; yet they don’t hesitate to label me that way. There is a difference between being wrong and holding mutually exclusive possible interpretations."
Dr. Walton gives a lot away in this section of the paper. He paints himself and his view as being unfairly labeled wrong. And there is a kernel of truth here. Sometimes there can be multiple ways to understand passages that are orthodox. Eschatology is such an example: there are multiple ways of understanding the same eschatological passages, comparing Scripture with Scripture. However, Genesis is different. Walton is drawing a false equivalence because the origins question is never settled among the compromisers by an appeal to the text. Instead, it is almost invariably settled by appealing to something outside the text, usually either science or ancient near eastern literature. Scripture is thus subjected, and we might add subjugated, to outside sources. It is hardly surprising to see Walton doing this. His Lost World series of books consistently subjects Genesis (and other Old Testament books) to the literature of the ancient near east.3 However, the important thing to note in his argument is his statements about right and wrong. He believes that there is no “right” answer to the origins question, only the most probable one. In other words, the Bible is insufficient to address the origins question. We must instead make decisions on origins based on “preponderance of the evidence.”
Unfortunately, Walton is just wrong Scripturally. Second Peter 1:20 tells us that there is only one correct interpretation of Scripture in context. Some issues can be viewed differently when comparing Scripture with Scripture, but since Walton does not build his case on Scripture, he cannot argue the origins issue is one of these issues. There is a right answer to origins. Since that is the case, it behooves us to determine what it is and then defend it.
Walton does recognize at the end of his article that there are absolute rights and wrongs but then undercuts the claim: “Ultimately, it is true that one view is right and others are wrong, but such absolute vision is not always available.”8 What Walton does not say, or perhaps is unwilling to accept, is that we do have absolute vision on the origins question. The Bible tells us specifically what God did, how he did it, and how long it took—and it is incompatible with any other interpretation out there that invokes an old earth and death before sin. So incompatible, in fact, that it undermines the central theme of Scripture and Christianity itself: the gospel message of Adam’s sin causing death, separation from God, and a groaning creation, all of which only the second Adam can fix. These questions are not up for debate unless you are willing to undermine biblical authority—and ultimately the gospel. The origins question has a right answer, and the Bible tells us exactly what that answer is. God created everything in six literal twenty-four hour days and rested the seventh day roughly six thousand years ago.

Answers in Genesis.
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lol Christians have a martyr complex even among other Christians.😂
I love how this guy complains about Walton applying actual historical, anthropological scholarship to the bible as some kind of crime and his acknowledgement of contradictory science as naïve.

Is it any wonder that young earth creationism is a fading fringe belief even amongst Christians...
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]Is it any wonder that young earth creationism is a fading fringe belief even amongst Christians...[/quote]

What left field did that come out of? Creation is not fading away as you suppose but growing. Not all 'Christians' are born again.
@GodSpeed63

[quote] Creation is not fading away as you suppose but growing. [/quote]

[b]Nope.
Young Earth Creationism is NOT growing. At best it's stagnating but more accurately it's dying by degrees[/b]

[b]And that number shrinks even further when respondents are asked in a way that incorporates their belief in god while rejecting YEC.
As you can see here the number of Americans who believe that humans were created as is according to Genesis Falls to a shocking [i][u]18%[/u][/i].[/b]

[b]Additionally we see that the lower the level of education, the higher the belief in Young Earth Creationism. Funny that.[/b]


[b]Sorry man. You can keep believing what you believe but the number of people who share that young earth creationist belief [i]is [/i]dropping.

Fact.[/b]🤷‍♀️

[i]https://scienceandbeliefinsociety.org/2020/04/21/are-there-100000000-creationists-in-the-usa/[/i]
@Pikachu Not even Pat Robertson believes YEC.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RNNFSNXOVc]
@canusernamebemyusername
When you can't even get the televangelists on your side you know you have a problem lol
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]Sorry man. You can keep believing what you believe but the number of people who share that young earth creationist belief is dropping.[/quote]

Those made up charts aren't truthful. One thing you ought to know, majority doesn't = being right.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@canusernamebemyusername [quote]Not even Pat Robertson believes YEC.[/quote]

I doubt seriously that.
@GodSpeed63


[quote]Those made up charts aren't truthful/boo hoo you're lying😢[/quote]

🤣lol Ohhhh the lil boy doesn't [i]like [/i]the actual facts are so he denies them.
Imagine my surprise.
If you think those charts are lies then prove em wrong, boy.
You
Will
Not.

Point made😎✌️
@GodSpeed63

[quote] I doubt seriously that.
[/quote]

Doubt away, but he [i]doesn't[/i] believe in young earth creationism and you can watch him say it if you have the balls to confront the fact that you're wrong about something.

[i][b]Pat Robertson:[/b] "...The universe is tuned for life but [u]it didn't get here in 6 to 7,000 years. It got here over almost 14 billion years to get this earth to where it is right now.[/u][/i]" (5:44)

lol 😂
@GodSpeed63 What do you think it was an actor? On his own show? And that the real Pat Robertson then never came out to deny it? Or was he a clone? A lizard wearing a human skin? A deep fake?
This is the same man that believe babies can be possessed. So...
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu @canusernamebemyusername [quote]Ohhhh the lil boy doesn't like the actual facts are so he denies them. [/quote]

You have yet to prove they're actual facts, little boy. Pat Robertson knows the age of the earth to be 6000 years old and wouldn't go against his knowledge on the Word of God.
@GodSpeed63

[quote]You have yet to prove they're actual facts[/quote]

lol whatever you say lil guy😂 I'll call the Pew Research center and tell them they're fake.😏
So typical of the creationist to just call anything that doesn't fit their narrative a lie.

Case in point:

[quote]Pat Robertson knows the age of the earth to be 6000 years old and wouldn't go against his knowledge on the Word of God.[/quote]

[u][i]He is literally on video saying that the earth is NOT 6000 years old.[/i][/u]
On what basis are you denying this? What the actual fuck> lmao🤣

You might as well give a straight answer to this question because this is such an interesting denial of reality that i [i]will[/i] hound you till you give a straight answer.

Answer me, coward.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@Pikachu Genesis as an allogory is and has been accepted dogma among moat Christian
@JimboSaturn
Oh i know.
Hence this little discussion. Even amongst Christians, a literal interpretation of Genesis is a minority position.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Pikachu His commitment to his religious beliefs (cue triggered response) would be commendable, if it weren't so removed from reality.

The inability to recognise that actual research has greater validity than personal observation is concerning. Our little friend, and indeed a fair proportion of the general population, seem to have little to no understanding of the scientific method or statistics and experimental design.
@Bushranger

Oh it's straight up junkin' nuts lol. Devotion to faith is one thing but flat out denial of reality is another.

[i]"The stats are fake! Robertson hasn't said the things he is on video saying!"[/i]
Like holy shit! lol
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Pikachu Of course, had the results claimed the opposite he would have claimed them for his own. Creationists do love their cherries.
@Bushranger

*pick, pick, pick*
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Pikachu And we all know who their favourite Wizard Of Oz character is, lol.
@GodSpeed63 Are you having a stroke?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu @Bushranger @canusernamebemyusername [quote]Are you having a stroke?[/quote]

No, just getting dizzy watching you guys running all around and cackling away like scared chickens in a barnyard. Do you have anything better to do?
@GodSpeed63

I asked you a straight question now give me a straight answer, lil boy:

On what basis do you deny that Robertson denies a young earth when you have right in front of you recorded video of him saying exactly that?

Speak, boy.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]On what basis are you denying this?[/quote]

I know Pat Robertson better than you do, little boy.
@GodSpeed63

And how do you reconcile his own recorded statement saying that a 6000 year old earth is a ridiculous notion?

Are you in denial? Do you think it's faked? What's your excuse for this sad denial of the evidence of your very own eyes?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]And how do you reconcile his own recorded statement saying that a 6000 year old earth is a ridiculous notion?[/quote]

He didn't. Like Darwin, someone pulled the wool over your eyes.
@GodSpeed63

Ah so you admit that he [i]does[/i] currently declare the idea of a 6000 year old earth to be unscientific nonsense.
So much for the claim that you know Pat Robertson better than that.😏