ANSWERING ATHEISTS: IS GOD COMMANDING GENOCIDE! [Spirituality & Religion]

[quote][b]7:27:[/b] On the basis of these text, it's easy to see why manny would conclude that God commanded the Israelites to commit genocide. And on that premise, the objection is often raised that an all good all loving God could never issue such an immoral commandment. Therefore skeptics insist believers can't affirm Gods goodness, while also affirming the historicity of these stories, as the two are inconsistent.

Questions:

1. How do we deal with these difficult passages and objections?

2. In this divine comandment to wipe out the Canaanite people consistent with God's loving and holy nature?

3. As believers in both Gods' goodness and the truth of Scripture, how do we make sense of these apperent inconsistencies?[/quote]



Premises you need to accept to understand why all of this is okay according to this version of Christianity:

[b]1. God has sovereignty over all creation, including human life.[/b]

[i]-> If God approves of something, it becomes the "will of God" and thus it's "moral".[/i]

[b]2. The Canaanite People were deserving of Judgement[/b]

[i]-> Because they served other Gods, and had human sacrifice[/i]

[b]3. Gods' [b][u]command wasn't genocide[/u][/b], but to expel the canaanites from the land.[/b]

Definition of Genocide, currently held by the UN [i](used for international law)[/i]

[quote][b]In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, [u]in whole or in part[/u], a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:[/b]

(a) [b]Killing members of the group;[/b]
(b) [b]Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;[/b]
(c) [b]Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole [u]or in part[/u];[/b]
(d) [b]Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;[/b]
(e) [b]Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. [/b]

[b]Source:[/b] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml[/quote]

Why does he take every article, which doesn't come direct from God. While Exodus 23:20-33 is pretty clear on Gods' Will. It's attributed too God!


[quote][b]God’s Angel to Prepare the Way[/b]

[b]Exodus23:20[/b] “See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. [b]21[/b] Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. [b]22[/b] If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you. [b]23[/b] My angel will go ahead of you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites and Jebusites, and I will wipe them out. [b]24[/b] Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces. [b]25[/b] Worship the Lord your God, and his blessing will be on your food and water. I will take away sickness from among you, [b]26 [/b]and none will miscarry or be barren in your land. I will give you a full life span.

[b]27[/b] “I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter. I will make all your enemies turn their backs and run. [b]28[/b] I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. [b]29[/b] But I will not drive them out in a single year, because the land would become desolate and the wild animals too numerous for you. [b]30[/b] Little by little I will drive them out before you, until you have increased enough to take possession of the land.

[b]31[/b] “I will establish your borders from the Red Sea[a] to the Mediterranean Sea, and from the desert to the Euphrates River. I will give into your hands the people who live in the land, and you will drive them out before you. [b]32[/b] Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. [b]33[/b] Do not let them live in your land or they will cause you to sin against me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you.”[/quote]




In overall:

[b]Premise 1:[/b] It's the same premise that NAZI-Germany used at the Nürenburg trials. Namely that the will of the Füher is "absolute" and thus needed to be followed. It was moral. This "absolute" idea, isn't just a NAZI thing, it goes back to ancient times where the will of the leader became linked to the will of God. Hence the word "absolute". In Hobbes "Leviathan" the will of the leader was shackled by a social contract, but even Hobbes acknowledges that everything not mentioned in the Social Contract must be obeyed because in these areas the king is absolute. It's a pré enlightened idea where the will of the people was oppressed by those that dictate, and it's often used by religious-like regimes like "absolute monarchy" and "theocratie". However, for everyone that doesn't adopt this premise, just like the allies that had too judge the NAZI chiefs for the genocide of mainly jews and other groups of the society, for these people there is still Genocide. Anny NAZI that hide behind the political theory that the Führers' will is absolute, was still put away for a long time or got the death penalty.

[quote]The statements which my council made in my name before the High Tribunal I permitted to be made for the sake of the future judgment of my people and of history. That is the only thing which matters to me. [b]I do not defend myself against accusers to whom I deny the right to bring charges against me and my fellow-countrymen[/b]. I will not discuss accusations which concern [b]things which are purely German matters and therefore of no concern to foreigners[/b]. I raise no protest against statements which are aimed at attacking my honor, the honor of the German people. I consider such slanderous attacks by the enemy as a proof of honor.

I was permitted to [b]work for many years of my life under the greatest son whom my people has brought forth in its thousand-year history.[/b] Even if I could, I would not want to erase this period of time from my existence. [b]I am happy to know that I have done my duty as a German, as a National Socialist, as a loyal follower of my Führer. I do not regret anything.[/b]

If I were to begin all over again, I would act just as I have acted, even if I knew that in the end I should meet a fiery death at the stake. No matter what human beings may do, [b]I shall some day stand before the judgment seat of the Eternal. I shall answer to Him and I know He will judge me innocent.[/b]

- [b]Rudolf Hess[/b], closing statement Nüremburg Trials 31.08.1946

[b]Source:[/b] https://www.tracesofwar.com/articles/4524/Final-statement-Rudolf-Hess.htm[/quote]

[b]Premise 2:[/b] Has nothing to do with something being "genocide" or not.

[b]Premise 3:[/b] International law, disagrees. It's kinda normal that people of the "in-group" disagree with international law. The NAZIs' also disagreed that they commited genocide, they were just following orders that came from a higher authority [i](an absolute authority)[/i] and thus there was no crime [i](according to them)[/i]. But honestly, fuck them.


[b]Is God commanding Genocide? The answer is "yes". Looking at the acts as they are described, looking at the commands given, looking at the international consensus of the word "genocide" ... "yes" this is clearly genocide.[/b]

I love his sole reasoning is 'there is no need to explaining to atheist because there are not going to believe our explaination. They are judgmental!'.

All my life, I asked questions to Christians and none of them couldn't explain instead they cried foul and insulted me.

As from his video for instance, he says 'God has sovereignty over creation of human being'. He doesn't say how or why, he wants atheists to believe it without question.

I mean if I tell you to believe that flying spaghetti monster has sovereignty over humanity, will you accept it without question?

It's just simple as that. We cannot take your words as such.

So God can take life as he needed because he is [i] arbitrary of moral[/i]? 🤦 and you call us judgemental. I am sorry but that doesn't make your God compassionate or loving.

I think that's enough for the video and it still didn't answer the plot holes nor made your faith anymore logical. Sorry, but you failed

You can't even prove your God's existence and you are saying we can't understand him. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Genocide in the Bible is OK as long as the right kind of people are being killed and the killers are the heroes of the story.

With god’s compassion, who needs devils 😒

No.