2nd Scottish independence referendum to be held.
Words cannot describe how happy I am right now.
26-30, M
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
As a left-wing Englishmen, my own thoughts on this are somewhat conflicted. The political argument for independence is something that I have a lot of sympathy for and indeed some of the English left support Scottish independence. Scotland has a social democratic majority and hates being ruled by the more Conservative England, as do I. The selfish part of me wants the most anti-Tory part of our country to stay and help build a left alternative from within the UK. However, the Labour Party is miles away from power and if Scotland could successfully form a left-Scandanavian state to the north of us, then their good examples could show us a better way.
Is this likely to end well though? Scotland has economic strengths but is dependent on oil, which has halved in value globally. In addition, the Scots would either need to join the European single currency area, which is increasingly neo-liberal and increasingly disintegrating itself; or stick with a shadow pound, which would leave them at the behest of The Bank of England. I am no fan of single currencies with separate Governments anyway, because national economies are rarely that compatible with each other and when the s**t hits the fan, its always the weakest who get screwed. Look at Ireland and southern Europe as examples of this happening nearby.
All in all, I understand the temptation for Scotland to leave the union but I would not back it if I lived there. It would make the country poorer and would leave them economically vulnerable. However, I am no fan of UK politics in general and if they do vote to leave I very much hope that I am wrong.
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Is this likely to end well though? Scotland has economic strengths but is dependent on oil, which has halved in value globally. In addition, the Scots would either need to join the European single currency area, which is increasingly neo-liberal and increasingly disintegrating itself; or stick with a shadow pound, which would leave them at the behest of The Bank of England. I am no fan of single currencies with separate Governments anyway, because national economies are rarely that compatible with each other and when the s**t hits the fan, its always the weakest who get screwed. Look at Ireland and southern Europe as examples of this happening nearby.
All in all, I understand the temptation for Scotland to leave the union but I would not back it if I lived there. It would make the country poorer and would leave them economically vulnerable. However, I am no fan of UK politics in general and if they do vote to leave I very much hope that I am wrong.
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thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
@Burnley123: not at all young sire
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@thatscottishguy: just a few ales
malizz · 70-79, M
@Burnley123: Last time round it was 40 Scots pounds to one English.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Don't imagine they'd want the backlash from that.
Sadwithasmile · 22-25, M
Sadwithasmile · 22-25, M
Like to see the look on ur face if le pen wins
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Sadwithasmile:
WHEN she wins.
WHEN she wins.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
I'll think the French have lost the plot but I won't really care.
billytex1 · 70-79, M
wishing Scotland the best in again becoming the truly independent nation it deserves to be - with some McClellan, McLemore, and Kirby in my background - along with some from 'south of the border' - like my family last name of Middleton - my heart and heritage are from there - best wishes!
jimjim1969 · M
Sharon · F
@jimjim1969: Border controls will be needed between Northern Ireland and the Republic too. Also between Spain and Gibraltar. :)
jimjim1969 · M
@Sharon: You are right. All seems complicated
Sharon · F
@jimjim1969: It's what the people voted for. I presume they knew what it meant.
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btw can I trade my UK passport for a Scots one even though I've never lived in Scotland? I don't want to be a citizen of the rump state.
aradia11 · 61-69, F
What does this include? I thought Brexit effected a lot of places. Do Scotts people still think Trump is an idiot?
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
@Pedromartinez: Many people have businesses in Scotland. What does that have to do with anything?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
malizz · 70-79, M
Fake news
malizz · 70-79, M
Remember they said Clinton was going to win, and that the EU vote would go for remain.
Of course, they normally report the past accurately, but future events are by nature speculative.
Of course, they normally report the past accurately, but future events are by nature speculative.
aradia11 · 61-69, F
Can Scotland sustain itself without England? The controlling British had a hold I thought.
I hope Scotland can....like The Welch did..
I hope Scotland can....like The Welch did..
malizz · 70-79, M
They've only now put in a Section 30 application, which I expect will be rejected.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
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Who are you going to vote for?
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
SW-User
Who?
Dan509 · 26-30, M
How will this time be different than last?
WoodyAq · M
When's the vote?
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
Between Autumn 2018 and Spring 2019.
bijouxbroussard · F
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M